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sarah FAILIN

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157. How would you feel if you were a were the well qualified female

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 07:45 AM

Jan 2018

Say you were looking for a job and you were well qualified and had all your licenses or certifications with 5 yrs experience. What if a girl that was a year from finishing school with no certifications or experience was hired over you because she has more poise and personality which as has been said here, are more important being qualified on paper.
Yes, my son is intelligent. When I told him to look at some youtube from Rachel Maddow and Robert Reich to see their take on some issues, he didn't just listen blindly. He looked up their qualifications and history along with the qualifications of several other people we see on news shows to make sure they had some sort of base to speak from which I had never done myself. He was surprised that some on tv are not much more than radio djs that got lucky. He doesn't blindly accept everything he is told without looking it up himself like some around here.

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Author of Google Memo Sues Former Employer For Discrimination Against Conservative White Men [View all] Gothmog Jan 2018 OP

Ugh! rownesheck Jan 2018 #1

and you hate yourself? nt burnbaby Jan 2018 #180

My son read this guy's memo and agrees with him sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #2

He actually argued that genetically women are inferior at coding....the kid is a moron bettyellen Jan 2018 #3

I didn't read it myself sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #6

He sounds like a lot of young tech guys, to be honest. Book smart in a narrow area but.... bettyellen Jan 2018 #7

Are you saying my son is a NAZI? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #18

No, but the fact that he didnt realize this genetic superiority crap has a sick history and has bettyellen Jan 2018 #20

I'm done here. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #25

Im sure you think your child knows more than Googles HR department despite that not being his field bettyellen Jan 2018 #29

tell us what the quota is at the company he is referring to CreekDog Jan 2018 #35

Like I said.. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #39

you said there's a quota to hire women, PROVE IT CreekDog Jan 2018 #40

I think you need to go back and stalk me some more sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #43

then prove to us there's a quota (you know those are illegal right?) CreekDog Jan 2018 #54

Wow. That explains a great fucking deal right there. Codeine Jan 2018 #56

Wow! mcar Jan 2018 #93

You have lied about me and I'm pretty sick of your crap. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #119

Somehow... tonedevil Jan 2018 #137

And you are another person that has trouble comprehending what you read. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #146

You wrote 2500 words about what your "son" "thinks" here -w/o reading the memo he's talking about CreekDog Jan 2018 #148

Did you even read the post you just replied to? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #154

The premise of the Google memorandum was wrong Gothmog Jan 2018 #74

You should give thought... tonedevil Jan 2018 #76

How do we know the best happen to be the white guys? treestar Jan 2018 #86

An interesting assumption, isn't it? mcar Jan 2018 #88

Your son is equally outraged over nepotism hires too, right? Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #139

Yes he is sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #141

Would you consider your son intelligent? Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #143

How would you feel if you were a were the well qualified female sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #157

You're acting like I've never been passed over for a job I was easily qualified for Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #176

what you are ignoring here mercuryblues Jan 2018 #128

I think you need to take a look at your own responses to this thread. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #167

"Superior" MichMary Jan 2018 #163

Yet not qualified... tonedevil Jan 2018 #179

More like-- MichMary Jan 2018 #182

I do not know what she said DonCoquixote Jan 2018 #151

why are you commenting on something you didn't read? CreekDog Jan 2018 #34

I never claimed to have read it sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #37

What specifically is this new perspective of genetically inferior women you were introduced to? LanternWaste Jan 2018 #95

I don't get all this "inferior" & "superior" MichMary Jan 2018 #164

Have you read the memo itself? yardwork Jan 2018 #169

I skimmed the memo MichMary Jan 2018 #170

Do you skim candidates' positions and base your vote on what somebody else tells you? yardwork Jan 2018 #172

Okay. MichMary Jan 2018 #173

You don't consider being accused of neuroticism as inferior? yardwork Jan 2018 #174

I saw that, and it did strike me as odd MichMary Jan 2018 #175

Interestingly... tonedevil Jan 2018 #178

FTA: MichMary Jan 2018 #183

Why do you assume that women "want" to do all the domestic work? yardwork Jan 2018 #186

Who says they want to? MichMary Jan 2018 #190

We can address the falsehoods and pseudoscience that keep women from being allowed to succeed. yardwork Jan 2018 #184

Nearly half of all medical school enrollees MichMary Jan 2018 #188

I think that you should stop digging. You're in a pretty deep hole. yardwork Jan 2018 #189

Huh. MichMary Jan 2018 #191

You're accusing those of us who read the memo of a "knee jerk reaction." yardwork Jan 2018 #168

Are "targets" and "goals" not the same as a quota? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #181

No, they are not. If you don't know the difference, look it up. yardwork Jan 2018 #185

They are the same thing. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #192

No, theyre not. tammywammy Jan 2018 #194

you sound really expert, you haven't even read the document that got him fired CreekDog Jan 2018 #193

According to the linked article, the original memo was 10 pages. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #69

If she's going to comment on the memo to defend it because her son read it, that's ridiculous CreekDog Jan 2018 #70

OK, I understand now Jim Lane Jan 2018 #78

I'm open to entertaining conjecture of additional perspectives of the inferior genetics of women. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #97

Sorry, but you've completely misread my post. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #105

I read your post in the context of your other posts about race and gender issues. CreekDog Jan 2018 #121

Your "context" was something I wrote in 2014???? Jim Lane Jan 2018 #125

Have your views of race and racism changed significantly since 2014? CreekDog Jan 2018 #133

The post you linked has ZERO to do with race and racism. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #142

Fair enough. I should have used a better post to illustrate my issue CreekDog Jan 2018 #150

Given the content... tonedevil Jan 2018 #77

That's an absurd characterization of the thread. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #80

The memo says... tonedevil Jan 2018 #81

I have read multiple times in this thread MichMary Jan 2018 #165

No, It Is Not Objectively True ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Jan 2018 #114

Curtain number one seems much more probable. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #98

Unlike "Let's Make a Deal," the car could also be behind both. (n/t) Jim Lane Jan 2018 #106

Did you read the petition? Gothmog Jan 2018 #110

No. As I said, I haven't read any of this gentleman's work. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #115

The petition was an amusing read Gothmog Jan 2018 #127

Did it raise a disparate impact claim? Jim Lane Jan 2018 #129

Its hard to quantify less qualified. Codeine Jan 2018 #4

When people wonder why the internet is a cess pool of anger, misogyny and bettyellen Jan 2018 #9

Its tough out there for guys like him! Codeine Jan 2018 #10

This meme.. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #12

If he had either of those things Codeine Jan 2018 #15

This guy didn't create the meme did he? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #21

Of course youre correct about the photo, Codeine Jan 2018 #24

Which guys do you mean by "those guys"? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #26

The MRA crowd that the photo is mocking. nt Codeine Jan 2018 #28

I had to look that up. MRA Men's Rights Activists sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #31

Either those guys had really bad lawyers or the situation is not as represented. Caliman73 Jan 2018 #47

+1000000000 treestar Jan 2018 #89

why did you look it up? CreekDog Jan 2018 #57

If they spend that much time taking care of the kids treestar Jan 2018 #87

I respectfully disagree sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #11

Respectfully, that is why the tech field Codeine Jan 2018 #14

+1 tammywammy Jan 2018 #16

Exactly- the output of the work suffers from lack of diversity- same ill our government suffers from bettyellen Jan 2018 #22

So certifications mean nothing? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #23

Are we talking about surgeons or the people Codeine Jan 2018 #27

Nailed it! bettyellen Jan 2018 #30

Actually you are wrong in all counts sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #32

I personally do not buy the premise Codeine Jan 2018 #42

I never said my son admired him sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #48

Im not talking about the emotional crap. Codeine Jan 2018 #51

You say I have been completely destroyed in this thread, lol sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #53

Yes you've ruined it all without actually reading the thing the thread is about in the first place CreekDog Jan 2018 #55

You need a new shovel tazkcmo Jan 2018 #104

for someone who didn't read the memo, you provide a lot of detail about how deeply it was read CreekDog Jan 2018 #71

and hide behind the son treestar Jan 2018 #92

DOOR BUZZARD!!! CreekDog Jan 2018 #147

The writer was NOT right, the writer is a person who is privileged and feels equality is oppression uponit7771 Jan 2018 #60

your son is correct burnbaby Jan 2018 #83

35 years... tonedevil Jan 2018 #108

Thank you sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #120

Spot on. cwydro Jan 2018 #68

Respectfully, as one who has training and certifications in a profession... AZCat Jan 2018 #36

I am a university trained, experienced engineer. Blue_true Jan 2018 #44

But you don't say that the best people have to be sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #49

Gender and race can matter. Codeine Jan 2018 #52

+1, people who've worked in diverse engineering environments know this outright by experience uponit7771 Jan 2018 #63

Boggles the mind that we're seeing this here mcar Jan 2018 #94

The privileged feel the best people have to be other privileged people. diversity of thought in ... uponit7771 Jan 2018 #62

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #61

Who said that? treestar Jan 2018 #91

The mediocre people just happen to be the blacks/POC and the women? treestar Jan 2018 #90

People seem to forget about ALL of the aspects of a new hire BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author TCJ70 Jan 2018 #113

Especially since most people aren't an Einstien or Jobs, even though they think they are. haele Jan 2018 #134

Read the memo that the guy wrote. Blue_true Jan 2018 #38

Nope sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #41

So, he assumes that women and some minorities are mediocre at birth. Blue_true Jan 2018 #45

That is not what was said sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #50

Yes it was !!! He injected birth ability into his analysis like a privileged asshole uponit7771 Jan 2018 #65

you wrote 2500 words in this thread about a memo you didn't read one word of CreekDog Jan 2018 #149

You have followed me around like a stalker trolling me sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #155

I haven't threatened you, I've only pointed out what you said in this thread CreekDog Jan 2018 #156

You are following me like an obsessed loon sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #158

why are you so intent on derailing this thread with your son's opinion on the memo? CreekDog Jan 2018 #159

I know guys like him Skittles Jan 2018 #59

+1, I've experienced it first hand and their bigotry can be categorical uponit7771 Jan 2018 #66

He's a bigot malaise Jan 2018 #72

Exactly and if my son said such things which he would never ....his sisters and I would set him Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #123

His "mediocre" was people who weren't white males !! You didn't read it or at least the whole thing uponit7771 Jan 2018 #64

He used "majority" a lot when talking about hiring. Blue_true Jan 2018 #117

But why is this sort thinks that women and POC are always mediocre...I think many of this Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #162

they're both wrong Skittles Jan 2018 #58

James Damore is an alt right mens rights activist. octoberlib Jan 2018 #73

You set up a biased either/or - either diverse or best. In reality, a group can be both diverse and suffragette Jan 2018 #107

There are plenty of qualified women...that is BS...first of all and without pressure you would find Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #122

I'm not offended sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #124

I don't agree with that. There are women out there who are qualified. That is their excuse. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #144

I think we are not talking about the same thing. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #145

People get hired for all sorts of reason...nepotism etc. And who the best candidate is not based Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #160

I get where he's coming from Locrian Jan 2018 #166

Your son's reading of it was wrong n/t obamanut2012 Jan 2018 #135

I think his perception was different since he ignored the stuff about biological differences sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #140

Yes, because underqualified mediocre white bros have never, EVER Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #138

Find a safe space SNOWFLAKE DiverDave Jan 2018 #5

They need more safe spaces than any group they belittle! Initech Jan 2018 #13

One exists for people like him-- 4Chan crazycatlady Jan 2018 #109

Here's the nasty secret of the tech world. haele Jan 2018 #8

Yup. All the upper management cares about is that sweet $$$$. Initech Jan 2018 #17

Yep, the ultimate next person up philosophy. Blue_true Jan 2018 #46

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #67

Substitute "work" for "tech" and it's 100% correct. HughBeaumont Jan 2018 #171

What a snowflake! meow2u3 Jan 2018 #19

The plight of the white man... IluvPitties Jan 2018 #33

Being a privileged white male is not a protected category Gothmog Jan 2018 #75

Actually, being a white male IS a protected category. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #116

Being an ignorant sexist white male is not a protected category Gothmog Jan 2018 #126

Imprecise statement. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #130

Read that ignorant memo from this idiot Gothmog Jan 2018 #131

It's a tough time to be a mediocre white guy, that's for sure. alarimer Jan 2018 #79

Where that will fail is when Google shows up with a long list of "Caucasian" "male" "conservatives"! George II Jan 2018 #85

Based on this quote: MineralMan Jan 2018 #96

Well, No Need For Me To Chime In ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #99

Thank you kindly... MineralMan Jan 2018 #103

That is a great post and so true...as always you hit it out of the park MM. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #161

That stupid, entitled fucker. Orrex Jan 2018 #100

The implied assumption is that "merit" is objectively measured marylandblue Jan 2018 #101

The last thing any business wants is to strengthen political diversity. harun Jan 2018 #102

Exactly. I have never worked in an all liberal or all conservative place. Blue_true Jan 2018 #118

I read the amusing petition and found an answer to the question I asked in the OP Gothmog Jan 2018 #111

Google is 80 percent me Nevernose Jan 2018 #112

That is exactly correct. This asshole doesn't have a case still_one Jan 2018 #153

No...they discriminate against assholes. (n/t) Iggo Jan 2018 #132

Dammit. There goes my application. nt Codeine Jan 2018 #136

Doesn't the question come down to if a company has a right to fire someone if they violate the still_one Jan 2018 #152

no basis for this DBoon Jan 2018 #177

Did anyone doubt that this is where dumbass was headed all along? Orsino Jan 2018 #187