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218. You mentioned "stand your ground" laws. They give people the right to use deadly force,

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 12:20 AM

Jan 2018

such as guns, in reaction to fear of great bodily injury. The OP wasn't talking about using deadly force.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html

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A question about the legality of personal space [View all] Downtown Hound Jan 2018 OP

Need my three minutes reading this back ksoze Jan 2018 #1

It took you THREE MINUTES to read that! snooper2 Jan 2018 #2

Whatever. Next! Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #3

OMG! Your story sounds like Edward Albee's play "The Zoo Story" womanofthehills Jan 2018 #224

I would never have engaged. I would have gotten up and left immediately. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2018 #4

Yes. elleng Jan 2018 #146

Me, too. 3catwoman3 Jan 2018 #186

The majority of people would leave - why confront a mentally ill person womanofthehills Jan 2018 #225

Same here, leave the area and report him to campus security XRubicon Jan 2018 #303

Yes again. Never engage them. Duppers Jan 2018 #317

I would have advised him I had just recently wiped a bunch of snot on the tree where his hand is snooper2 Jan 2018 #5

He might have liked it. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #6

Is what happened as described that far off? Nt NCTraveler Jan 2018 #36

Yes, it is. n/t Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #71

Whackadoodles are gonna wackadoodle, dude. Codeine Jan 2018 #7

This is going to become a mantra for me! N/t Iris Jan 2018 #227

I follow instincts... something doesn't seem right I don't engage, but catch my watch and hlthe2b Jan 2018 #8

Please take this the way it is intended. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #9

No, my first instinct is to defend myself and protect my safety Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #10

"But I'm even more for making sure I go home unharmed every day." NCTraveler Jan 2018 #11

LOL. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #13

"How you interpret that as male aggression I don't know." NCTraveler Jan 2018 #25

As I already mentioned Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #27

"It was him that started it up again." NCTraveler Jan 2018 #30

You mean the guy that could have easily talked to his tree Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #54

If he is that crazy, then he might think he has to talk to his tree treestar Jan 2018 #86

So let me see if I get this straight Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #90

Yes, you are. You are the sane person. hunter Jan 2018 #109

Bullshit. n/t Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #112

Bullshit you are the sane person? treestar Jan 2018 #115

It's not my opinion, but a possible opinion of his treestar Jan 2018 #116

Even if he was, that doesn't make me guilty of anything Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #123

LOL! nt DemSoc Jan 2018 #278

Right, the way rational people who want to talk to their trees do it. Of course! kcr Jan 2018 #154

You weren't there. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #158

What does the fact I wasn't there have to do with it? kcr Jan 2018 #160

It has a lot to do with it. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #161

Well, maybe you should keep your story straight, because right there in the beginning of your story, kcr Jan 2018 #163

I came to that conclusion after the fact Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #164

You came to that conclusion after the fact. But you mention it first thing. kcr Jan 2018 #167

I mention it first thing because I have had the benefit of 24 Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #172

As Judge Judy tells people in road rage etc. situations spooky3 Jan 2018 #207

Sorry, but I've always found Judge Judy Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #212

How would he know that this guy wasn't just jerking his chain? pnwmom Jan 2018 #125

Maybe, because the guys first 2 sentences were: "What's Up" & "I'm talking to my tree" womanofthehills Jan 2018 #232

If a man says "what's up"? It's a sign he's unhinged? pnwmom Jan 2018 #280

He wanted to talk to his tree... NCTraveler Jan 2018 #242

Wow! Ever hear of not taking something personally womanofthehills Jan 2018 #229

I wasn't trying to have a normal conversation with him Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #282

If it had been me, and a guy said that to me, I wouldn't have known he was mentally ill. pnwmom Jan 2018 #87

So you would be upset that you as a women could not sit under a tree in an area frequented womanofthehills Jan 2018 #233

As a parent and a former student, I would be upset that a community college student pnwmom Jan 2018 #237

Thank you once again. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #274

It's the front yard of a very popular, nationally ranked junior college and people do it Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #273

Oh and this is what it actually looks like Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #283

Thanks for posting this picture. Unfortunately, the people who need to see it pnwmom Jan 2018 #300

I would have just left NCTraveler Jan 2018 #244

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #250

Exactly. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #253

Complete misrepresentation of what happened also noted. n/t Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #255

I am using this as a guide. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #257

Not unwarranted aggression Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #261

How could the OP know the person was mentally ill from the outset? pnwmom Jan 2018 #84

"talking to trees". Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #135

Sane men crack "jokes" and make stupid remarks to women every day. pnwmom Jan 2018 #136

the op described a person who he believed to be "unhinged" or something like that Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #139

Maybe it's safer Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #144

Sure go for it. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #145

I did. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #149

That was a CONCLUSION he made after several minutes of interaction. He couldn't have known pnwmom Jan 2018 #147

you win. Beat up crazy people. Best to do it pro-actively. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #203

Nah, you win. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #205

You win. Don't listen. Twist what people say and put words into their mouths. pnwmom Jan 2018 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom Jan 2018 #148

He wanted to talk to his tree. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #243

When someone is crazy, I don't engage at all. When he said moonscape Jan 2018 #301

Thats kind of the beginning and end with me. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #302

Betting your a man, cuz invasion of space happens to women all the time. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #12

And it's not okay when it happens to women either Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #16

Asserting your rights no matter what is a macho thing. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #23

Okay. Next time I hear of someone being harassed on the street Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #24

You're being confrontational now. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #26

Bye! Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jan 2018 #311

Right. We shouldn't have to live in fear. I was sitting in the grass in a park once, pnwmom Jan 2018 #94

Well, lucky you didn't post about that on DU Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #101

Yeah, some of these responses have been disappointing. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #106

Actually - some of us life with this every day of our lives. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #176

And if a woman posted a story like this about how she stood up Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #181

Most women wouldn't post about it. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #194

Sorry, but the few times in my life that Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #196

I didn't say they would take it in stride Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #204

I'm not dismissive of women Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #214

I'm hardly the only one in this thread. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #239

Between you and me Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #251

I agree that women face situations like this all the time. HOWEVER pnwmom Jan 2018 #310

Actually, he doesn't get it. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #314

I would never sit under a tree in an area frequented by homeless & transients womanofthehills Jan 2018 #231

I would never dress in sexually provocative clothing Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #249

Just like I wouldn't wander through neighborhoods.... BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #272

Did you see the picture of his campus? It absolutely doesn't look like gang turf. pnwmom Jan 2018 #308

Did you see the photo of his campus? Students OFTEN sit on the grass and read between classes. pnwmom Jan 2018 #307

+1 Sorry I didn't see your post before I said something similar. spooky3 Jan 2018 #210

What the fuck is this shit right here. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2018 #14

Me asking a question. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #18

not a lawyer, but my understanding is that the threat of violence has to be real. unblock Jan 2018 #15

So basically, I could just go up to a woman and stand inches away from her Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #17

a lot is packed into that "make her feel threatened". unblock Jan 2018 #19

He didn't just start talking to the tree Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #20

you were right to be wary. i'm not disputing that. unblock Jan 2018 #34

And if you tell someone to leave you alone and they don't, what then? Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #37

good luck staying out of prison with that attitude. unblock Jan 2018 #108

I've done just fine so far. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #119

No, you are not within your rights to force them at that point Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #246

And maybe that's why Stand Your Ground laws exist Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #252

No, its not Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #258

That's nice Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #263

I carry precisely because there are people like you who want to assault people without cause Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #293

And that is a problem. Men think they can get away with something like that pnwmom Jan 2018 #111

Bingo! Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #124

There certainly is a range of behaviors that fall short of justifying violence unblock Jan 2018 #201

It's a no-win situation for women. Mariana Jan 2018 #305

From my back-and-forths with the OP, I think he does understand pnwmom Jan 2018 #306

It's hard to tell. Mariana Jan 2018 #319

Well you could do that. You would be a creep. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #51

Yes, I would be a creep. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #52

Fine have it your way. Pick fights with random disturbed Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #61

Me standing up for my space is NOT picking a fight. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #64

If your behavior there was anything like your behavior here, then... jberryhill Jan 2018 #83

And how is my behavior here so terrible? Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #91

Suggestion jberryhill Jan 2018 #184

I feel just fine about it, thanks. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #188

Then, good! jberryhill Jan 2018 #192

You seem to not get it that mentally ill people don't behave like normal people womanofthehills Jan 2018 #234

On the contrary Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #268

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #89

But picking fights with random disturbed people is what DU is FOR! jberryhill Jan 2018 #185

So explain to me how I picked a fight with him Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #190

It's important to distinguish between a "legal question" and a "fact question" jberryhill Jan 2018 #82

agreed. the legal question would be what are the conditions necessary to constitute assault unblock Jan 2018 #95

I believe you have it right True Dough Jan 2018 #105

Did you ever think that you were invading the trees personal space? Floyd R. Turbo Jan 2018 #21

LOL. He did say it was his tree... Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #22

The tree was assaulted jberryhill Jan 2018 #58

The guy sounds unbalanced...if that's the case...they win and I just walk away....n/t Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #28

I think your question was a good one. Mosby Jan 2018 #31

Thank you! Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #33

He's crazy, so just walk away treestar Jan 2018 #32

this is the good practical answer. even if one does have the legal right to stay, why? unblock Jan 2018 #35

And let's just pretend for a minute, that I don't believe I have to walk away Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #39

you're trying to assert a private property right to public space. unblock Jan 2018 #48

Even in the public sphere you still have some rights Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #53

some rights, yes; just not the same rights. unblock Jan 2018 #97

You still have the right to respond to behavior that anybody could see was Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #104

Videotape him and then call the police treestar Jan 2018 #118

You wnet from chasitising me for aggressively telling him to back off Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #121

I re-read your opus treestar Jan 2018 #122

Yes I did. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #127

Well, not everybody. pnwmom Jan 2018 #137

Thank you! Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #138

Please don't ever consider marybourg Jan 2018 #38

I've been to New York several times and rode the subway, thanks. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #40

Then you should be able to deduce the answer to your question. marybourg Jan 2018 #134

So if somebody came up to you and demanded your seat on the subway Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #140

No if the unhinged person invades your space on the subway you move. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #151

Let yourself get bullied Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #155

What you're required to do is what I said. marybourg Jan 2018 #209

The OP hasn't said a word about shooting anyone. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #215

And neither did I. marybourg Jan 2018 #217

You mentioned "stand your ground" laws. They give people the right to use deadly force, pnwmom Jan 2018 #218

The "stand your ground" laws were a marybourg Jan 2018 #220

Stand your ground may be what I'm talking about Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #222

Well, you can stand your ground as long as you like, marybourg Jan 2018 #238

As I've already stated Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #254

Small point, perhaps matt819 Jan 2018 #41

Gratuitous insult of the homeless? Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #47

Lets see matt819 Jan 2018 #57

Oh bullshit Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jan 2018 #316

Not a lawyer, but I would think that since it did not appear to be LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #42

Also...never yell what is your problem at someone... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #43

Getting into an argument with a mentally ill stranger is never a good idea. DLevine Jan 2018 #44

Um, hes disturbed. That should have been clear. nolabear Jan 2018 #45

I'm not aware of a legal definition of "personal space" Lurks Often Jan 2018 #46

"You failed to walk away or call the police" Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #50

To answer your last question matt819 Jan 2018 #59

Not really an answer but whatever. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #66

I didn't expect you to like or agree with my answer Lurks Often Jan 2018 #81

And why is that? Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #93

Have fun! Lurks Often Jan 2018 #107

violating someones personal space is "simple assault" Mosby Jan 2018 #67

Maybe, maybe not Lurks Often Jan 2018 #79

From your link, simple assault still requires physical contact tammywammy Jan 2018 #85

assault apprehension of imminent harm Mosby Jan 2018 #289

Your best option Meowmee Jan 2018 #49

What state? jberryhill Jan 2018 #55

California Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #56

Unlawful assembly - both of you jberryhill Jan 2018 #63

LOL! Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #65

I'm not joking jberryhill Jan 2018 #72

Really? LOL once again! Even harder this time! Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #75

You were both lawfully there and became boisterous and tumultuous jberryhill Jan 2018 #77

Yes I did Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #78

The first two words of your OP subject are "a question" jberryhill Jan 2018 #80

I asked a questionn, and everyone immediately accused me of being the aggressor Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #92

Hey, I'm talking to my subthread here, man jberryhill Jan 2018 #183

Well, I better just leave and let you have at it then Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #200

Verbally confronting him is "boisterous and tumultuous"? Would the same standard pnwmom Jan 2018 #113

In the real world... jberryhill Jan 2018 #182

So now asking to be left alone to study in peace Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #187

At the time you would have attracted the attention of the constabulary, yes jberryhill Jan 2018 #189

And I would have just told them that Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #193

Well, that is quite a story! pnwmom Jan 2018 #208

This isn't a good example to discuss invasion of space. LAS14 Jan 2018 #60

Why was it inappropriate? Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #69

Because this person was obviously disturbed. LAS14 Jan 2018 #98

All the more reason to let him know Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #166

I think good people make allowances for people with mental difficulties. Do... LAS14 Jan 2018 #276

Making allowances for people with mental difficulties does not mean Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #281

Why didn't you just leave, instead of challenging him to let you have your way? It sounds... LAS14 Jan 2018 #284

Because I don't have to leave Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #285

He couldn't have known from the OUTSET, before he started talking to him, pnwmom Jan 2018 #74

Early on. He shouldn't have pursued it. Ignore him or move. LAS14 Jan 2018 #99

Not that early on. If it happened to me, as a woman, I wouldn't even have known pnwmom Jan 2018 #103

Are women somehow not capable of discerning signs of mental illness? kcr Jan 2018 #159

You weren't there from the beginning. You read a passage that BEGAN with the writers pnwmom Jan 2018 #165

His CONCLUSION right at the very beginning you mean? kcr Jan 2018 #170

Sane men say crazier things than that to women every day, in a clumsy attempt pnwmom Jan 2018 #175

The difference being they're sane. kcr Jan 2018 #177

I knew nothing about the man I told to go away. I certainly didn't know he was sane pnwmom Jan 2018 #213

Are you not capable of understanding that mental illness does Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #198

Actually, mentally ill people aren't more likely to be dangerous kcr Jan 2018 #223

LOL. come walk around the streets here Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #256

Okay, let's try an experiment Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #110

You aren't making a point about civil rights for a minority treestar Jan 2018 #120

Guess what? Neither was she. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #130

I wonder if you will end up as famous as she treestar Jan 2018 #219

Doubt it. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #228

Welcome to every woman's world. pnwmom Jan 2018 #68

And it's wrong Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #70

I agree. That kind of response, as reasonable as it seems to be on the surface, pnwmom Jan 2018 #73

Thank you. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #76

I wish could find the thread Sailor65x1 Jan 2018 #88

And why is that? Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #96

Do you say that when women complain about men getting in their space? The OP's story pnwmom Jan 2018 #100

No, I sure don't, Not ever. Sailor65x1 Jan 2018 #126

I think some of the men who are responding dismissively are the same kind of men who pnwmom Jan 2018 #131

And again, because I'm a strong man Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #133

Politely and firmly excuse yourself and let him talk to his tree. hunter Jan 2018 #102

What if the person wasn't crazy? What if the OP was a woman and a guy walked up, pnwmom Jan 2018 #114

How about "assertively?" hunter Jan 2018 #129

Well, if you were my great grandmas, you'd kill him. hunter Jan 2018 #143

You act like I went up to him and intruded Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #153

I've felt that way about cops at times. hunter Jan 2018 #191

This wasn't the police. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #195

Why is it nonsense to believe that you have a right to Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #141

You can push back in whatever situation you want to. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #173

Well, no one ever said life was safe Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #211

I think your space invader had an emotional/behavioral disability peacebuzzard Jan 2018 #117

Marking to check responses underpants Jan 2018 #128

A couple of thoughts Bayard Jan 2018 #132

Simple. Walk off. MineralMan Jan 2018 #142

Go through life letting yourself get bullied and intimidated Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #150

yes that is exactly what we are all telling you Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #152

Sure seems like it. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #162

Dude...what was gained? MineralMan Jan 2018 #157

Yes, I was bullied and intimidated Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #169

Not so simple. I have walked off and then been followed. Many women have. pnwmom Jan 2018 #168

In that case, I'd walk toward a group of people or an open business. MineralMan Jan 2018 #260

But the OP did nothing worse than verbally engage with a person whom he didn't even know pnwmom Jan 2018 #279

Some people have a mission in life. Turbineguy Jan 2018 #156

I'm confused Texasgal Jan 2018 #171

I am dealing Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #174

Sorry...but your last sentence Texasgal Jan 2018 #178

Law advice. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #179

Google would have framed Texasgal Jan 2018 #180

Well I'll ask Google next time Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #197

+1 spooky3 Jan 2018 #216

Just reading through this thread, it's apparent....... WillowTree Jan 2018 #199

Um, no. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #202

Whatever. WillowTree Jan 2018 #221

So the fact that he didn't touch me makes it okay? Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #226

Brush up on your reading comprehension there, Bucko. WillowTree Jan 2018 #235

Legal definition of personal space Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #264

And, from that link....... WillowTree Jan 2018 #266

What the definiton implies is that Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #271

Fine. Next time call a cop. WillowTree Jan 2018 #275

Call a cop. Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #286

As has been pointed out to you countless times by me and a host of others...... WillowTree Jan 2018 #295

Hello Mr Lapierre XRubicon Jan 2018 #318

OP has a stench of stand your ground advocacy too. XRubicon Jan 2018 #312

It sucks when two unhinged people want the same tree... hardluck Jan 2018 #230

Well said..... womanofthehills Jan 2018 #236

That about says it all. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #240

..snort.. jberryhill Jan 2018 #241

! demmiblue Jan 2018 #248

So I'm unhinged because I feel I have a right be left alone in peace Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #259

:-) K & R LAS14 Jan 2018 #287

Actual self defense laws vary by state Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #245

There actually is a legal definition of personal space Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #262

No there isnt- Can you cite the law? Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #267

I didn't say law Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #270

You said legal definition- that means a law Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #291

I would avoid arguing with anyone who talks to a tree. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #247

................................... still_one Jan 2018 #265

And, more recently, chairs............ WillowTree Jan 2018 #269

Chairs that used to be trees! Retrograde Jan 2018 #297

I was going to say all in the same family, but....... WillowTree Jan 2018 #298

Class assignment deek Jan 2018 #277

Huh! You may just hit the nail on the head. :-) LAS14 Jan 2018 #288

Assuming you don't want to tell us what state you are in treestar Jan 2018 #290

I think he said California. WillowTree Jan 2018 #296

Harder to research, but I found this treestar Jan 2018 #320

"The right to swing [his] arms in any direction ends where your nose begins." aikoaiko Jan 2018 #292

This thread is a Moon-Bombing/I-don't-drink-with-you level of epic absurdity. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #294

Agreed. Add to cornflakes, Olive Garden and the door buzzard treestar Jan 2018 #299

OMG........I'd forgotten about the door buzzard!! Thanks for the revived laugh! WillowTree Jan 2018 #321

Yep. I'm going to add corn nuts in school lunches as my contribution to this thread... Phentex Jan 2018 #304

In reference to? Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #309

You should have just been pleasant and left... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #313

my two cents........ Takket Jan 2018 #315