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sabrina 1

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87. Let's stick to facts for a change, and not waste time on distractions.

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 08:30 PM

Jan 2012

Did Kerry vote for the War in Iraq and all the supplementals that came after that, or did he not? Airc that was why he was not on my list of candidates, nor anyone's way into the campaign.

I believe many Democrats stated they wanted the President to succeed also. In fact I remember it clearly. Do you think they should have said 'I do not want the President to succeed'?

Greenwald was ACCUSED of NOT wanting the President to succeed by the Right as we all were, despite how warped such thinking was, although I'm seeing a repeat of it lately only on the left.

Those of us who opposed the war wanted it not to happen at all. But the Rovian tricksters on the Right became expert at twisting facts and turning that opposition into 'You want the President to fail'.

Now, ironically, you are it seems to me, demanding that Progressives like GG SHOULD have wanted 'the president to fail'. Am I following you correctly? It's hard to keep up with the ever-changing principles we are supposed to adhere to.

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Glenn Greenwald's political views are consistent [View all] Bonobo Dec 2011 OP

Did you know that Glenn Greenwald supported both the Afghan and Iraqi war? n/t Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #1

Actually I did not. Can you provide a link? nt Bonobo Dec 2011 #2

I added it to my original post. n/t Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #3

Thanks. My display on DU is all messed up for some reason. nt Bonobo Dec 2011 #4

It sounds as if he feels he was duped like many others. Bonobo Dec 2011 #6

To listen to his rhetoric today against the Iraqi and Afghan wars Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #7

So what is your reasoned defense for the Afghan War? nt Bonobo Dec 2011 #8

I really don't think I'm the subject of this thread. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #12

You seemed to be criticizing Greenwald for now opposing the Afghan War. Bonobo Jan 2012 #15

You seem intent on making this discussion about me. n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #19

No, I am merely making it about your statements. Bonobo Jan 2012 #28

If this was a thread about my politics and not Greenwald's, you might have a point. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #33

Yes and I asked you about your position vis a vis his "consistency". Bonobo Jan 2012 #37

Yes, you making this about me is when the "wheels came off the train." n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #41

And again, you duck and weave to avoid the question that you cannot answer. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #46

Cannot answer? No. Will not answer because this thread is not about me. n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #49

The question you are not answering is quite obviously NOT about you. Bonobo Jan 2012 #50

It most certainly is about me. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #51

Actually your post was the distraction from my OP about domestic politics. Bonobo Jan 2012 #53

The sad thing is, is that their are NUMEROUS Liberal journalists who at the time very much supported FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #69

Next time someone paints me into a corner Puglover Jan 2012 #84

that's a stretch paulk Jan 2012 #16

"enthusiastic and satisfied" support of the Afghan war, as I said. n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #17

you may have said it paulk Jan 2012 #55

OK. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #56

how many years ago was this? paulk Jan 2012 #72

Obama is an enthusiastic supporter of the AFghan War still. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #66

Holy smokes! ProSense Dec 2011 #9

APALLING. joshcryer Dec 2011 #11

Like all the Democratic Presidential candidates who voted it? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #24

No, I didn't support their votes. None, nada. joshcryer Jan 2012 #32

Well, good for you. I admire consistency. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #34

I take TBF's position, I'll vote in case they're counting. joshcryer Jan 2012 #45

Lol, what utter nonsense. Now you're trying too hard. I had a feeling that you knew nothing sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #67

An inaccuracy in that hit piece on Greenwald. It WAS generally known that initially sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #18

I guess that's going to be rather subjective a measure. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #22

Right. Just because Greenwald pubished it in a book EFerrari Jan 2012 #35

Yes, I remember it being atop the New York Bestseller List for years Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #38

Yes, I know what the hit piece was about. Hitchens was a jerk. I'm sorry he died, but just because sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #68

You don't deny that Greenwald waited until Hitchens was dead to write Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #70

Well, I never wrote anything much about Ronald Reagan either, UNTIL he died and I saw the sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #73

Bullshit, everyone who voted for it and believed it were either doing so for ... joshcryer Jan 2012 #26

I agree! Everyone who voted for it was WRONG. And either too cowardly NOT to do so sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #30

Forgiving for who? joshcryer Jan 2012 #39

Not a hit piece but a fact. vaberella Jan 2012 #76

"Trust in the Bush admin"? The man is shit. vaberella Jan 2012 #75

"supported both the Afghan and Iraqi war?" bvar22 Jan 2012 #82

That's what I respect most about him. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #5

you must have missed this tabatha Dec 2011 #10

Keep reading. He just "had a change of heart." joshcryer Dec 2011 #13

He actually did. Unlike Kerry and Edwards and Gephardt who discovered that while they had sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #21

I have no problem with having a change of heart. I have a problem with believing right wingers. joshcryer Jan 2012 #23

I have a problem with rightwingers too. What is your point? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #25

But it's OK to believe right wingers, particularly when it comes to war? joshcryer Jan 2012 #27

I'm not following you. What rightwinger are you talking about? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #31

Greenwald believed Bush. He said as much. joshcryer Jan 2012 #40

Then there are an awful lot of rightwingers in the Dem Party because they believed sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #57

Where did I say anyone who initially supported the war was a "rightwinger"? joshcryer Jan 2012 #58

Here is where you said it. Stop trying to be cute. Bonobo Jan 2012 #59

Yes, I said "I have a problem with believing right wingers." joshcryer Jan 2012 #60

OK, now I understand. I misinterpreted. Bonobo Jan 2012 #61

No worries, I should've said "I have a problem with people who believe right wingers." joshcryer Jan 2012 #62

It was remarkable to learn that Greenwald ever believed anything Bush said. Bonobo Jan 2012 #63

This is a very touchy issue for me, DU was 100% anti-Iraq. 100%. Anyone for it was either... joshcryer Jan 2012 #65

That is NOT a true statement. bvar22 Jan 2012 #83

I completely disagree. joshcryer Jan 2012 #86

Wait ProSense Jan 2012 #81

Let's stick to facts for a change, and not waste time on distractions. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #87

What ProSense Jan 2012 #89

The lesson is not to put anyone on a pedestal noise Jan 2012 #14

No, I did not miss it. I think YOU missed his point though. This was in his book and he explained sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #20

Well said. Failing to admit mistakes is worse than making them in the first place. Bonobo Jan 2012 #29

My head spins here sometimes lately Bonobo. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #36

Yes, exactly. I am still the same politically as I ever was but now I am not even on the radar. Bonobo Jan 2012 #42

And, you were wrong about Libya like Greenwald was wrong about Iraq. joshcryer Jan 2012 #44

Yeah? I wasn't wrong about Libya. joshcryer Jan 2012 #43

I was wrong about Libya? Bonobo Jan 2012 #47

Read some Pacificm as Pathology and understand where I come from. joshcryer Jan 2012 #48

"Pacifism as Pathology". LOL. Bonobo Jan 2012 #52

Eh. I'm not a super fan of Ward Churchill but he makes good points. joshcryer Jan 2012 #54

Churchill is a Vietnam veteran. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #71

I used to crap on him because I am anti-violence, however, over the years... joshcryer Jan 2012 #77

That's what started the trouble mythology Jan 2012 #91

Agree, I didn't buy into the neocon lies either. Cameron27 Jan 2012 #64

Greenwald had Fisk's reports, the reports from the UN inspectors, the knowledge that the UN was... joshcryer Jan 2012 #79

True. mmonk Jan 2012 #74

The war in Afghanistan.. sendero Jan 2012 #78

Excellent post woo me with science Jan 2012 #80

Apparently we are now on Greenwald Underground JoePhilly Jan 2012 #85

He's consistently full of shit. That's for certain. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #88

And in that kind of blind inflexibility lies his failure frazzled Jan 2012 #90

Wow, glad to be the thread ender frazzled Jan 2012 #92

All on the front page of GD right now. Do you see the futility? DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #93