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RandomAccess

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11. Please remember
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 10:22 PM
Jan 2018

A really HUGE amount of that "attacking" was done by Russians. I am sure -- absolutely positive -- that a lot of people here and elsewhere don't really appreciate the sheer magnitude of these attacks. They were done by people on behalf of Russia who had extremely good English skills and posed as Americans, like a housewife from Idaho.

Very adept, skilled, manipulative, extraordinarily capable under their covers.

Some of them may have even been here -- how could we know for sure without a thorough forensic investigation??

They were all over Facebook, and they were all over Twitter. And they got millions upon millions of views, and no doubt persuaded many. All they had to do with push people in the direction they may have been leaning to start with.

So don't be so hard on your fellow Dems. Sure, some of them are guilty and deserve blame. But -- there was SO much going on that overshadowed that. Really.

And then there were other factors as well:



pnwmom:
Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691



Here is how they stole the election - Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/




PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.

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True. However, let's hope for a stronger field in 2020. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #1
You just confirmed the OP's case. crazylikafox Jan 2018 #2
Not really. I supported and voted for Hillary in '16. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #10
Yeah, let's hope we can find someone strong enough to win by more than 4 or 5 million votes. pnwmom Jan 2018 #33
I didn't know a single Democrat during the entire election period who ever enough Jan 2018 #3
I heard and saw hold my nose hundreds of times. I heard and saw Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #5
I knew lots that repeated Jill Stein/Russia authored attacks ad nauseum ehrnst Jan 2018 #9
And was booed during her convention speech by fucked up types JI7 Jan 2018 #12
You don't know a single Democrat who attacked Hillary during the campaign? Sam McGee Jan 2018 #15
No, I'm just a naive old woman living out here in the boondocks of suburbia enough Jan 2018 #31
Difficult not to get snarky here. I'll just say that your experience was "unique". nt Atticus Jan 2018 #17
Actually, it wasn't. We don't all live in the same place or have exactly the same enough Jan 2018 #32
Cool story. MrsCoffee Jan 2018 #25
You must not have watched the convention then. That whole delegation that thought they could go pnwmom Jan 2018 #34
You aren't on FB are you? ehrnst Jan 2018 #44
I.have no confidence that those who made that mistake will avoid making it again Cary Jan 2018 #4
I have a lot of confidence - that it will happen all over again in 2020. Chemisse Jan 2018 #7
Thank you (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #8
Please remember RandomAccess Jan 2018 #11
Every Democratic elected official in this country Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #13
Holy shit that's just not true. byronius Jan 2018 #16
I have a Democratic Congressman and two Democratis Senators as well Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #19
Hmm. Sometimes we don't hear things because they're not reported on. byronius Jan 2018 #20
Could you please tell us which state that is so we can add our voices to yours? nt pnwmom Jan 2018 #37
California. Up north in wine country. Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #40
Thanks. I know a lot of people there. I'll talk to them about it. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #41
See my edited post. Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #43
California itself seems to be making progress on this, with most voters using paper ballots. pnwmom Jan 2018 #42
How many more times pressbox69 Jan 2018 #22
This might be just the beginning. I read a mathematical analysis of the electoral pnwmom Jan 2018 #38
Thanks for that point. byronius Jan 2018 #14
Thanks! Good post. pnwmom Jan 2018 #35
I like to quote that passage every chance I get RandomAccess Jan 2018 #36
Aw, thanks. pnwmom Jan 2018 #39
Sanders had my heart but Clinton had my vote. mahannah Jan 2018 #18
True enough but pressbox69 Jan 2018 #23
K&R betsuni Jan 2018 #21
Maybe that also was part of the Russian strategy? kentuck Jan 2018 #24
I hope that we have learned more than just one thing, I hope we have learned a lot. FM123 Jan 2018 #26
I live in Dumbfuckistan, though it was blue for many years Orange Free State Jan 2018 #27
Absolutely, and THANK YOU for being a voice of reason! MoonRiver Jan 2018 #28
63 million believed a serial liar because he mirrored their beliefs. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2018 #29
Yes, and the vast majority of those voters not only still support him but Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #30
I still think the over the top Bernie Bros were Russian posers Generic Brad Jan 2018 #45
I dont see it that way at all. some were sure, but many were just Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #46
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