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WyLoochka

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184. Justice and deterrence

Mon Jan 15, 2018, 09:57 AM

Jan 2018

Accomplishing the first four on your list will have the most long lasting positive effects.

The investigations should not end with a report or whitepaper. If crimes were committed, prosecutions and convictions must result, elsewise we are hypocritical liars when we say we stand for the rule of law.

An important part of holding criminals accountable is the deterrent effect. The criminals who caused the global financial crash, from which they profited immensely, were not held accountable. A law was passed that required somewhat tighter oversight and more reporting to regulators. That was a positive - as long as it lasted. But it wasn't enough.

There was no deterrent by example, no one perp walked and incarcerated. They were given no reason to fear committing the same or similar crimes all over again - and here we are, 9 years later. They are blithely undoing the law and regulations and setting us up for the global fleecing - all over again.

An important effect of administering just results for crimes committed (convictions) is that doing so helps deter others from committing such crimes in the future.

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When the democrats regain power, I want blood. [View all] shockey80 Jan 2018 OP

I want positive action instead. MineralMan Jan 2018 #1

THIS. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #4

Agree. nt cwydro Jan 2018 #10

We can't have positive action without accountability. Maven Jan 2018 #11

That is exactly what needs to be done. Well put. hadEnuf Jan 2018 #57

yes we can and should do both dottie66 Jan 2018 #70

Thread winner! smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #82

I want blood for any traitor who took Russian money...even Democrats... Pauldg47 Jan 2018 #84

What is the difference between your money and Russian money? nolabels Jan 2018 #166

Yes, we absolutely can. Hortensis Jan 2018 #89

THIS cab67 Jan 2018 #93

THANK YOU. That's precisely what got us here. RandomAccess Jan 2018 #126

Correct. mnhtnbb Jan 2018 #133

Right on! MLAA Jan 2018 #134

100% Mopar151 Jan 2018 #176

Agree - No more xxqqqzme Jan 2018 #178

We are not Republicans; we can walk and chew gum at the same time. shanny Jan 2018 #12

+1000 doubleplusgood Jan 2018 #68

Holding people accountable may not be positive, but it is required. tinrobot Jan 2018 #16

Of course, but "wanting blood" is seeking vengeance. MineralMan Jan 2018 #17

Bush et al lied to go to war and over 1 million people are dead because of it. Maraya1969 Jan 2018 #28

And yet, the Obama administration made a good deal of progress. MineralMan Jan 2018 #32

you are correct orangecrush Jan 2018 #36

It would not have been the administration who took up the criminal charges. It would have been the Maraya1969 Jan 2018 #37

The Justice Department is an executive branch department. MineralMan Jan 2018 #39

Personally I'm tired of the endless cycle shanny Jan 2018 #107

then dems are going to have to do something different - like stop ignoring rw radio certainot Jan 2018 #183

This needs to be a separate op. rainin Jan 2018 #185

Supposedly the most autonomous executive branch department. shanny Jan 2018 #109

Obama was, is, one of the brightest, most responsible, most thoughtful Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #52

And look where it got us Dr_Pretorius Jan 2018 #122

Totally agree. LenaBaby61 Jan 2018 #180

Trump and his henchmen Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #45

Ending slavery, universal suffrage, dealing with climate change mythology Jan 2018 #75

They are not the Keystone Cops. Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #119

but "wanting blood" is seeking vengeance paleotn Jan 2018 #65

I made my point quite clearly in replies to this thread. MineralMan Jan 2018 #67

You did. paleotn Jan 2018 #73

It's a figure of speech, fer chrissakes. nt. druidity33 Jan 2018 #154

Distinguishing "vengeance" from "justice" can be a difficult endeavor. whathehell Jan 2018 #194

Step 1: Root out the Trump vandals and arsonists. Trump appointees have to go. dalton99a Jan 2018 #35

I think it is very positive. Positive it will never happen again. Oppaloopa Jan 2018 #112

Getting rid of the traitors for Russia isn't revenge, it's murder prevention. lark Jan 2018 #22

O, Lark - I wish you were right but the rot extends deep into the body erronis Jan 2018 #86

It's a nice thought atreides1 Jan 2018 #42

K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2018 #54

We tired that.... paleotn Jan 2018 #60

Might I suggest THIS positive action GaryCnf Jan 2018 #78

Sounds OK to me. MineralMan Jan 2018 #80

Btw, you are spot on n/t GaryCnf Jan 2018 #144

THIS. Thanks for your usual good sense and decency, MM. Hortensis Jan 2018 #85

Thank you for your reply! MineralMan Jan 2018 #88

Well, seems "energized" Democrats means angry. Hortensis Jan 2018 #101

Why are you alarmed at people crying out for some justice? Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #148

So do I. cab67 Jan 2018 #94

The Republican party has been rotting since the Bush years or maybe before D23MIURG23 Jan 2018 #96

Positive action has got us nowhere. We need to kick them in the balls. Initech Jan 2018 #104

positive action based on compromise and comity got us nowhere yurbud Jan 2018 #191

I can't think of anything more positive maxrandb Jan 2018 #118

I'd settle for action of ANY kind Plucketeer Jan 2018 #123

So do I Progressive dog Jan 2018 #131

+1000 mahina Jan 2018 #136

And what exactly is positive action? Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #145

Enabling what the KGOP has don is in ... NO WAY ... positive, not IN ANY WAY uponit7771 Jan 2018 #157

Thank you. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #158

Ditto! GetRidOfThem Jan 2018 #160

100% ABSOLUTELY relayerbob Jan 2018 #161

I tend to agree with you, MineralMan. PatrickforO Jan 2018 #163

Why not both? meow2u3 Jan 2018 #171

Disagree BE10sCoach Jan 2018 #175

some of it isn't revenge--it's protecting us from future reruns that get worse each time yurbud Jan 2018 #188

here's some positive action: do away with the filibuster, secret holds, and all such bullshit yurbud Jan 2018 #190

We are... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2018 #2

Agreed. Done, however, without feeding into the Russia Today 'New McCarthyism' trope (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #5

Exactly! KPN Jan 2018 #53

Deservedly so superpatriotman Jan 2018 #3

Positive action for me is seeing a lot of people going to prison. shockey80 Jan 2018 #6

And them have to add on to ADX Florence in order to hold all the traitors. 47of74 Jan 2018 #103

we need to elect democrats willing to FIGHT for the american people, beachbum bob Jan 2018 #7

I want democrats to ram through legislation with zero republican input. Blue_true Jan 2018 #8

I want them to get rid of the Electoral College and BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #14

Gerrymandering is in Federal courts right now. tinrobot Jan 2018 #18

Good, I will add that to my wish list for the Dem agenda. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #19

Getting rid of the EC also boils down as a state issue. Blue_true Jan 2018 #23

Damn! BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #30

One problem is that even if democrats take over states. Blue_true Jan 2018 #38

That seems to make a lot of sense. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #48

There actually is less difference between small states and large states than people assume onenote Jan 2018 #189

Good set of facts. Blue_true Jan 2018 #196

Not happening. onenote Jan 2018 #187

It is so depressing and frustrating. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #195

Same here. femmocrat Jan 2018 #9

I am tired of republicans playing dirty hardball and democrats playing softball. shockey80 Jan 2018 #13

Careful... there are those that will say you want Dems to "be corrupt" ehrnst Jan 2018 #150

Not good. That's exactly what they will try and scare the half-wits with. Limbaugh said brewens Jan 2018 #15

They are going to do that regardless. KPN Jan 2018 #61

I agree. Run these sorry bastards out of office. Expose every one of them. jalan48 Jan 2018 #20

Democrats need to fight Republicans the way Republicans fight Democrats. Also, I want our SCOTUS TeamPooka Jan 2018 #21

Yes not fooled Jan 2018 #24

Some how things will balance out for all the years of cheating and bullying. Pauldg47 Jan 2018 #87

Not unless we make them balance. Scales require TeamPooka Jan 2018 #117

All good ideas. But first we have to actually win back the House and Enoki33 Jan 2018 #25

If Democrats Truly Believe in the Rule of Law, Then Honest Accountability Cannot Be Overlooked dlk Jan 2018 #26

Yup. The future success of the Democratic Party KPN Jan 2018 #59

I'm ok with wanting blood if that means real action against this treasonous bullshit mountain grammy Jan 2018 #27

+1! KPN Jan 2018 #69

Agreed Firestorm49 Jan 2018 #29

Absolutely. No "reconciliation" bullshit. We can't pretend nothing happened. dalton99a Jan 2018 #31

If we don't disinfect, the vermin will continue to come back Horse with no Name Jan 2018 #33

If we do not agressively prosecute these criminals this time DBoon Jan 2018 #34

No Placating the Whining Right FrankTC Jan 2018 #40

Amen. shanny Jan 2018 #113

You don't have to go for blood. Honest & fair just governance will have the same effect. kydo Jan 2018 #41

Didn't we just do that? KPN Jan 2018 #72

I want justice. world wide wally Jan 2018 #43

I want to reverse the damage they have done to everything bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #44

How did Obama say "let's look back"? I don't think he did. I'm sure he didn't. George II Jan 2018 #46

You are right. KPN Jan 2018 #74

The OP said this: George II Jan 2018 #83

No ... false representation of what was said. KPN Jan 2018 #115

bullseye shanny Jan 2018 #116

The complete statement(s) were this: George II Jan 2018 #121

Right. What's your point? KPN Jan 2018 #127

I can't make it any plainer than I already did to the OP. George II Jan 2018 #128

No you can't. It's pretty obvious KPN Jan 2018 #129

REMEMBER THE GARLAND! HAB911 Jan 2018 #47

It's not about revenge, but ... dawg Jan 2018 #49

Let's not forget how damaging it was when Iran-Contra offenders, like Oliver North and StevieM Jan 2018 #51

The Democratic Party can't play a game with two different sets of rules. dawg Jan 2018 #55

Good point. KPN Jan 2018 #76

When I said I want blood, I meant I want justice, not revenge. shockey80 Jan 2018 #50

I understood exactly what you meant........ Stainless Jan 2018 #66

DITTO! joanbarnes Jan 2018 #56

I want to see criminals prosecuted. Not the farce we've had for 50 years. bullimiami Jan 2018 #58

I'm with you Shockey... Stellar Jan 2018 #62

Want blood? paleotn Jan 2018 #63

Go after Fox Snowflake22 Jan 2018 #64

Yes but how? Pauldg47 Jan 2018 #90

Perhaps what we will really need is something along the lines of a Stonepounder Jan 2018 #71

40 or 50 Corporations... Toorich Jan 2018 #77

something we need to keep in mind is bluestarone Jan 2018 #79

Yes. We need accountability. KPN Jan 2018 #81

We need cleansing. All of dRumpf's corrupt cabal,,,, lastlib Jan 2018 #146

That's not going to happen. It'll be the same ole, same ole... MariaCSR Jan 2018 #91

Our goal should be justice and the public good Martin Eden Jan 2018 #92

Toward what goal? procon Jan 2018 #95

Wez, Is that you? TheBlackAdder Jan 2018 #97

I've been thinking of starting a GoFundMe page... CCExile Jan 2018 #98

I'm down with that. CentralMass Jan 2018 #99

Democrats never get revenge. zanana1 Jan 2018 #100

THIS 47of74 Jan 2018 #102

You make a good point but isn't this just semantics? Cary Jan 2018 #105

It would not surprise me if Mueller already has his sites and indictments democratisphere Jan 2018 #106

Nobody ever gibraltar72 Jan 2018 #108

I agree. Oppaloopa Jan 2018 #110

Exactly! No more of this wimpy-assed, goody-two-shoes Democratic behavior. Paladin Jan 2018 #111

agree msdogi Jan 2018 #114

I agree NCDem777 Jan 2018 #120

holding no one accountable, it just gets worse and worse Skittles Jan 2018 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author loyalsister Jan 2018 #125

Too Bad. You Will Be Disappointed. Then Manipulated TomCADem Jan 2018 #130

Clintons enid602 Jan 2018 #132

Never will happen. Last President with that kind of balls was Harry "give 'em hell" Truman. demosincebirth Jan 2018 #135

Justice would be fine with me Progressive dog Jan 2018 #137

I agree, that's blood figuratively speaking demosincebirth Jan 2018 #138

As long as the GOPs methods are considered acceptable pecosbob Jan 2018 #139

The only thing I want is what's karmically due lunatica Jan 2018 #140

1,000 Recs for you, denbot Jan 2018 #141

If the Republicons are not punished, they'll do it again and worse. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #142

Completely agree.... Brave-newworld Jan 2018 #143

I do too! Unfortunately.... Catch2.2 Jan 2018 #147

Damn right...n/t bluecollar2 Jan 2018 #149

We need to erase this stain humbled_opinion Jan 2018 #151

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jan 2018 #152

If Dems get majorities in both houses be as bad as the GOP NCDem777 Jan 2018 #153

And I want to see the fucking Dems just BULLDOZE those goddamned repigs. BigDemVoter Jan 2018 #155

Dems would have to grow a spine of which flamingprogressive Jan 2018 #156

the blodd will come azureblue Jan 2018 #159

I want our powder to be so wet it drips and puddles and floods and gushes Mr. Ected Jan 2018 #162

I have to add my agreement to this! n/t Woodycall Jan 2018 #164

Well said tiptonic Jan 2018 #165

When Democrats regain power I want justice, which is NOT the same as blood. Persondem Jan 2018 #167

Justice and deterrence WyLoochka Jan 2018 #184

Good points all. Deterrence for the GOP has really been absent since Reagan. Persondem Jan 2018 #192

I want to see orange jump suits and Lifelong Protester Jan 2018 #168

ME TOO !! That is exactly why Pelosi should step down from a possible S.O.T.H. position.. Her vkkv Jan 2018 #169

Democrats in Congress after winning: "We have to reach across the aisle..." Crash2Parties Jan 2018 #170

The trick will be accountability that is thorough, firm and fair. summer_in_TX Jan 2018 #172

How far down do you want to go? jmowreader Jan 2018 #173

Not blood. Confiscation of wealth. /nt philly_bob Jan 2018 #174

You're asking us to become "them". We're the adults, and shouldn't become what we supposedly.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #177

Instead we'll get.. Kentonio Jan 2018 #179

Impeachment of Trump is unlikely as even if we won every cstanleytech Jan 2018 #181

In other words... disillusioned73 Jan 2018 #182

Trump, Flynn, Congress, Electors who voted for Trump... All need to be investigated and prosecuted. ck4829 Jan 2018 #186

You won't get it. Not with the current crop of dems. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #193