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Ken Burch

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35. Absolutely.

Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:50 PM

Jan 2018

As a party, we rarely fight with the same passion and unapologetic conviction in the validity of our principles as the RIGHT does.

We need to fight FOR, to fight to win the argument.

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How Big of a Divergence between EC winner and Popular Vote winner will we tolerate? [View all] kennetha Jan 2018 OP

There isn't much that can be done about it. dawg Jan 2018 #1

There is, and it wouldn't require abolishing the Electoral College. pnwmom Jan 2018 #26

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #30

And, if you look at which states have signed on ... dawg Jan 2018 #70

It might happen to them next - who knows Putin's next move? lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #72

It won't happen to "them" customerserviceguy Jan 2018 #76

Which is why we are probably *stuck* with the damned electoral college. dawg Jan 2018 #78

Yes, it's 100% in the Constitution customerserviceguy Jan 2018 #79

It won't matter till it happens to a republican. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #2

And why exactly is that? kennetha Jan 2018 #3

Probably so sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #4

Because they are corrupt con artists. And will whine endlessly when the rules work against them. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #6

Reference the "Brooks Brothers Riot" in Miami about 2000 recount. SharonAnn Jan 2018 #9

Because changing the Constitution requires the agreement of Republicans? BzaDem Jan 2018 #15

Did throwing off British Rule require the agreement of the Crown? kennetha Jan 2018 #19

Seriously? A violent revolution because you don't like the current electoral system? BzaDem Jan 2018 #20

Your history is completely rose-colored history. kennetha Jan 2018 #24

One quibble with your last point - PAMod Jan 2018 #61

That wouldn't address the OP's concern. BzaDem Jan 2018 #62

So you don't think the legitimacy of the voting system matters to a democracy? kennetha Jan 2018 #67

I agree Proud liberal 80 Jan 2018 #5

An unlimited divergence, until and unless the Constitution is amended. Mister Ed Jan 2018 #7

Well, duh. At some point, the majority would refuse kennetha Jan 2018 #8

No one will ever win the EC while losing the popular vote 77%-23%. BzaDem Jan 2018 #21

No one will ever hack the election from a foreign country. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #31

You cant use the occurrence of one extreme situation to legitimacize the possibility of another bearsfootball516 Jan 2018 #38

The occurrence I cite will be the METHOD of the electoral hack. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #39

The electoral college ENCOURAGES and REWARDS kennetha Jan 2018 #66

It wouldn't have to be amended, if states with 270 electoral votes all agreed pnwmom Jan 2018 #27

Really, do you want to be an elected official in NY, MA, or CA WPB_dem Jan 2018 #77

They might change their minds after the first time our candidate pnwmom Jan 2018 #80

time to start pushing for an amendment then; if it never gets started, then obviously it TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #58

As if we can do anything about it... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #10

The EC is not some inviolable god given fixity of our politics kennetha Jan 2018 #11

Not without an amendment to the constitution and that isn't going to happen. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #12

Don't bet on it kennetha Jan 2018 #13

Think about this logically. Do think small states will vote for ratification...assuming it made it Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #41

Because if they don't, some people are going to be upset and disappointed. BzaDem Jan 2018 #65

Don't bother tymorial Jan 2018 #33

I have no idea how these folks expect Democrats to do the stuff they want...and I weary of their Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #50

Actually, it kind of is. BzaDem Jan 2018 #16

this is an infantile defeatism kennetha Jan 2018 #18

You fail to consider population, geographic, cultural and societal changes tymorial Jan 2018 #36

That sound great but it won't work Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #42

Yeah, let me know how that goes for you. n/t BzaDem Jan 2018 #64

So you don't think the legitimacy of the voting system in a democracy kennetha Jan 2018 #68

if the Results were switched around and Trump had won popular by Millions and Hillary had won EC JI7 Jan 2018 #14

In the run-up to 2000, there seemed to be a real possiblility that Bush might win the popular vote Ken Burch Jan 2018 #23

Yes, I remember this too. The GOP planned to raise bloody hell if that happened. kennetha Jan 2018 #28

Absolutely. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #35

That's total bullshit and you know it! Stop it! Stop smearing the Democratic party. NurseJackie Jan 2018 #63

No, they would have whined and cried... and screwed Gore everyway they could as they do Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #45

Don't equate "the left" and "the Greens" Ken Burch Jan 2018 #47

I do equate them...the left left (JPR types) and greens teamed up in 16 and helped Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #52

You know perfectly well I don't defend JPR or the Greens. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #53

I have not said you were like them...JPR started because of Bernie...as you may remember. They are Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #56

JPR is a tiny handful of people from what I hear(I never go there and refused to join when asked) Ken Burch Jan 2018 #60

On average, the existing 27 amendments to the constitution were passed at a rate struggle4progress Jan 2018 #17

The first 10 shouldn't really count in that list mythology Jan 2018 #43

In every state where the initiative process exists Ken Burch Jan 2018 #22

Plus there is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. kennetha Jan 2018 #25

This would backfire if not implemented in every state. MoonchildCA Jan 2018 #32

This makes no sense. If states totaling 270 EV adopt it. kennetha Jan 2018 #34

Probably that it would only be adopted in "blue" states. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #37

If its voted for by individual states in the initiative process... MoonchildCA Jan 2018 #40

I am absolutely against that. The GOP won't do it and we will lose votes...we won't gain Georgia's Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #46

It's why I suggested doing it in the marginal states. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #51

don't do it at all. Everywhere or nowhere. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #57

Democrats never fight back because we're afraid we'll look like them. Atman Jan 2018 #29

It is not possible to get rid of the electoral college.Certainly not by one party. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #48

You clearly know nothing about me. Atman Jan 2018 #54

I don't quite understand your response. I was saying one party can't do it all... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #55

Well... Atman Jan 2018 #59

It's not a matter of party kennetha Jan 2018 #71

a 1 point EV win over someone who had a 50 million vote PV win is perfectly fine Cosmocat Jan 2018 #44

I have no doubt the Repugs would cry and whine...but there would be nothing they can do. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #49

They will if we make them. kennetha Jan 2018 #69

You seem to completely gloss over the different purpose of the senate and the house Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #73

You seem to misrepresent my point Cosmocat Jan 2018 #74

They had at least 10:1 Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #75

K&R. Good question. Sad to see many people OK with oppression though. ck4829 Jan 2018 #81