How Big of a Divergence between EC winner and Popular Vote winner will we tolerate?

[Ken Burch]

47. Don't equate "the left" and "the Greens"

The Greens are just one manifestation of the left.

The Sanders phenomenon had nothing to do with the Greens, and represented a much larger bloc of voters than the Greens.

I don't defend Ralph's decision to keep campaigning in marginal states in '00, or really the idea of his running at all. But it's not as simple as saying "the Greens were wrong". There also needs to be some acknowledgment that this party treated progressives and progressive ideas as the enemy in the Nineties and left those people totally out in the cold. You'd have to hold the Dem approach to progressives at least partially responsible for causing Nader's races. The takeaway is that we have an obligation never to go that far to the right again, and I think MOST Dems accept that as the proper conclusion.

Not sure what you're disagreeing with in the post you responded to, btw-what I was saying they'd do is essentially what you're saying they'd do-and they would have started with mass "protests" where they'd have essentially had huge right-wing lynch mobs showing up at state capitols pressuring electors pledged to Gore to elect Bush instead.

What I was saying was in agreement with what you were saying, not disagreement.