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Voltaire2

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45. Lets start with more than 800 overseas military bases.

Mon Jan 15, 2018, 08:01 PM

Jan 2018

Nobody here, for example me, is claiming that Russia is not a problem. Russia misbehaves. So do we. We are currently blowing people up on just about every continent. The scale of our military operations dwarfs anything anyone else is doing.

It seems we have just erased from memory the long and sorry history of our post ww-2 military misadventures, big and small, including both vietnam and iraq, and are now, in the Trump era, viewing everything through some neo-coldwar "ruskies vs usa" faux patriotic prism. Much as we did in the late 70s, we've once again forgotten the lessons learned from colossal failures like Iraq and have moved on to simplistic nationalistic posturing.

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U.S. must accept a new, multipolar world order, Russian foreign minister says [View all] orangecrush Jan 2018 OP

actually it is a call for the US to stop acting unilaterally and to stop with its Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #1

+1,000 n/t malaise Jan 2018 #3

"Sergei Lavrov sharply criticized the United States for being a destabilizing force in the world" orangecrush Jan 2018 #5

well they should stop that too. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #6

I understand where you are coming from orangecrush Jan 2018 #12

Nobody ever said Putin lacked balls marylandblue Jan 2018 #19

Come November orangecrush Jan 2018 #37

Yeah, all our fault Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #11

tell me about it. orangecrush Jan 2018 #13

If I want to be told by anyone anywhere that WE are the problem Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #16

Agree with that orangecrush Jan 2018 #38

Lets start with more than 800 overseas military bases. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #45

My gods. I don't have the energy to argue history just now. I hope someone else does. Hekate Jan 2018 #57

I hate Russia now more than I did during the Cold War ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #2

They convinced the far left to reject Hillary orangecrush Jan 2018 #7

Even if Lavrovatory has a point about unilateral decision making ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #10

Why, yes! orangecrush Jan 2018 #15

I found the picture ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #17

Yes I remember well orangecrush Jan 2018 #26

Did you hear the US comment recently (before this one) that they don't plan to cede malaise Jan 2018 #24

This is the damn 80s all over again ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #58

He knows nothing about anything except the art of the malaise Jan 2018 #62

Still happening and even right here at DU. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #18

again, yes. orangecrush Jan 2018 #27

I think detente was best and is best. David__77 Jan 2018 #44

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Republicans orangecrush Jan 2018 #8

Yep, and that is just one way we are screwed up. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #9

Right. There is China. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2018 #23

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Good point! orangecrush Jan 2018 #29

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the average people orangecrush Jan 2018 #39

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loot and scoot orangecrush Jan 2018 #47

Nails it. Loot and scoot. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #49

exactly orangecrush Jan 2018 #50

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.......its called insanity bdamomma Jan 2018 #53

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The GOP made it easy orangecrush Jan 2018 #30

Sadly, yes. onecaliberal Jan 2018 #32

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The only flag they respect orangecrush Jan 2018 #22

Sad truth. VOX Jan 2018 #33

absolutely orangecrush Jan 2018 #36

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