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Pholus

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355. And that is why you fail...

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:24 AM

Jul 2012

Your paranoia shows through with your charged language...."tracking down and seizing." Now I guess I hear that President Obama is going to grab all the guns, but I only hear that from the people holding the guns and most of them want donations. Please, amuse me by citing FIRST PERSON quotes from people with actual influence about any wholesale confiscation program that is envisioned.

I've argued with others who used this Fairfax-inspired talking point which also conflates deer rifles with modded AR-15's. But we both know what *that* is all about. It's a debate tool meant to stifle meaningful discussion. You want to win by faking that you can't comprehend any difference between the two. I suppose that does help stir up more support in the fundraising though. Crackpots who think they need three 50 caliber rifles to be sure that government tyranny can be checked are FAR less numerous than more pedestrian gun owners and need the numbers by inflaming the rest.

Anyway, things have gotten pretty shitty....thanks by the way for that...but to answer your question should this country suddenly get a sudden outbreak of common sense I'm fairly sure any restrictions could be phased in on future sales and transfers.

Only idiots or manipulators think it has to be all or nothing on the spot.

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I don't understand the animosity towards DU gun owners. [View all] Buddyblazon Jul 2012 OP

A DUer posted today that all the DU gun owners have blood on their hands SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #1

That is irrational... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #3

Ugh... one_voice Jul 2012 #9

Might as well say that all military personel have blood on their hands too. L0oniX Jul 2012 #13

I've seen that kind of nonsense here in the past, as well. MADem Jul 2012 #136

The whole point of the military is to regulate who has blood on their hands and why. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #319

And yesterday, that ALL gun owners fantasized about shooting sprees obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #25

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #258

I see hate for the people who want to have some movonne Jul 2012 #68

You mean a law against Murder? Tejas Jul 2012 #112

is there one to cover this? Skittles Jul 2012 #204

ATF is on it, they hate competition. Tejas Jul 2012 #222

all a big joke to you Skittles Jul 2012 #228

If it would make you feel better, Tejas Jul 2012 #233

bye bye Skittles Jul 2012 #234

many of us are really saddened by the killing. Gun owners who make light of the situation are upseet samsingh Jul 2012 #302

I'm sad too, also sad to be persecuted just because I own a firearm. Tejas Jul 2012 #307

i don't think gun control advocates want your to give up your firearm. really, I don't. samsingh Jul 2012 #310

Gun control advocates I can stomach, the Fascists on the other hand... Tejas Jul 2012 #312

calling any Democrat a fascist is not reasonable samsingh Jul 2012 #313

I didn't call those pathetic RW weasels Democrats. Tejas Jul 2012 #315

i'm not sure what you're saying then. samsingh Jul 2012 #321

I agree...My husband bought a shotgun, years ago for home protection, but neither one of us whathehell Jul 2012 #377

it isnt "owning a firearm" that is the problem. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #318

20,000 gun laws?... lame54 Jul 2012 #369

Popcorn? L0oniX Jul 2012 #128

Thats one of the more civil comments, unfortunately. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #138

have you read the comments from pro-gunners? samsingh Jul 2012 #305

gunowners = "cult of penile compensation" Tejas Jul 2012 #314

Yes. I have been following and commenting on the story here all weekend. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #330

well we are reacting to a tremendous tragedy and when it seems like some people samsingh Jul 2012 #334

The problem is a particular group... HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #339

"Gun ownership is a right granted under the constitution." PavePusher Jul 2012 #359

Disgusting. emilyg Jul 2012 #171

I posted today that I feel like I have been attacked by family. Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #205

... gateley Jul 2012 #405

Thanks Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #408

So when somebody dies in a DUI accident, is there blood on my hands since I drink beer? (N/T) Travis_0004 Jul 2012 #231

No but if you were an advocate for unregulated driving and relaxation of drunk driving laws Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #279

That would be me. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #281

So what is your solution? sarisataka Jul 2012 #324

Right to self defense against what? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #325

Self defense against someone who would cause you harm sarisataka Jul 2012 #327

As a gun owner here, let me second that those are reasonable views. eallen Jul 2012 #342

Some nits... PavePusher Jul 2012 #360

That's awful. nt gateley Jul 2012 #404

When seconds count, police are only minutes away. Some pray for police, others know they alone are jody Jul 2012 #2

Another gun cliche tinged with a dollop of paranoia... rfranklin Jul 2012 #10

What you call "gun cliche" is recognized as fact by the overwhelming majority of voters. nt jody Jul 2012 #24

Not true...just a group of fringe who have both Dems and Repukes joeybee12 Jul 2012 #27

ROFL have a nice evening. nt jody Jul 2012 #30

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #154

Also recognized by the courts. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #362

What a self-righteous, sheltered statement. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #85

Yeah, our police are minutes away - like 30 minutes tularetom Jul 2012 #31

This is what gets me going. It's the "kill or be killed" Law of the jungle - wild wild west Ed Suspicious Jul 2012 #121

I hope all citizens with a legal firearm respect your beliefs and let you deal with an assailaent jody Jul 2012 #131

That's hyperbole. Igel Jul 2012 #246

This message was self-deleted by its author sadbear Jul 2012 #4

I find it odd myself. Brickbat Jul 2012 #5

I agree with you, and I'm not a gun owner either. yardwork Jul 2012 #6

Absolutely... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #15

Check out this pm I got last night for daring to have a difference of opinion on guns permatex Jul 2012 #82

You can alert on PMs. That will send them to Admins for review. yardwork Jul 2012 #106

I did last night permatex Jul 2012 #146

I would have blocked that person from sending me mail, too. yardwork Jul 2012 #155

I did that also permatex Jul 2012 #156

You know you are winning the argument when you are insulted ... spin Jul 2012 #189

I've gotten some nastiness in my inbox from that person on other issues. Codeine Jul 2012 #282

He won't be sending me anymore pm's permatex Jul 2012 #288

what, did you buy a foreign car or something? dionysus Jul 2012 #323

I've had f-bomb after f-bomb directed at me in the last 2 days for pointing out just that. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #67

Well said. mt rrneck Jul 2012 #113

Most DU polls on DU member gun ownership are about 50/50. L0oniX Jul 2012 #7

Is that the split? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #17

Post a poll and find out. I've seen a few on DU ...always comes out to around 50/50. L0oniX Jul 2012 #21

Self-selection bias much? sadbear Jul 2012 #28

..and anyone should give a shit about what you think? L0oniX Jul 2012 #39

I think the other poster's point mythology Jul 2012 #50

I never posted any such poll. The ones I've seen are like "do you own a gun - yes/no" L0oniX Jul 2012 #55

Wow! sadbear Jul 2012 #56

Nationally fourty percent of Dems are armed per gallup Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #212

"I couldn't really give a shit" - You're still here? Tejas Jul 2012 #316

Hell, I'm surprised you're still here. sadbear Jul 2012 #331

Somebody accused you of crawling out of a hole? Say it ain't so! Tejas Jul 2012 #343

Is English your second language? sadbear Jul 2012 #348

Why do you ask? Tejas Jul 2012 #349

Uh huh,..but how many people with fishing poles Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #161

It's those who are waving their guns around and saying ha-ha can't stop us that are... rfranklin Jul 2012 #8

I own a gun also BUT wiseoldie Jul 2012 #140

Welcome to DU! beac Jul 2012 #221

Yes, but how come the criminals aren't getting them in Canada? Great Britain? aquart Jul 2012 #306

They are getting them in the UK even with draconian laws Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #309

So your argument is their criminals have the guns but very bad aim? British restraint? No bullets? aquart Jul 2012 #320

Their gun crime went up after they passed the laws if I am reading this chart correctly Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #322

British restraint? ... lol Kolesar Jul 2012 #329

Exactly. kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #293

"those who are waving their guns around and saying ha-ha can't stop us" PavePusher Jul 2012 #363

It is gun problem. Nt xchrom Jul 2012 #11

I am so sorry for what has happened to the community that you grew up in. cbayer Jul 2012 #12

Well...my Liberal gun owning friends... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #19

I think that is true here as well, but there is not significant organizations for progressives. cbayer Jul 2012 #40

Try this one permatex Jul 2012 #96

Thanks for the links REP Jul 2012 #219

gun organization for progressives wiseoldie Jul 2012 #150

I think even in owners (well, sane DU gun owners) would agree that gateley Jul 2012 #406

I don't interpret it as animosity toward gun owners. It is at reactions of some of the gun owners. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #14

Well stated n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #18

thanks - I thought long and hard about how to try to ensure my point was clear - not easy. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #26

Well, give yourself a pat on the back permatex Jul 2012 #120

Well, you did good. Again. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #123

When liberal Democrats start shooting up theaters, then we have reason to bash DU gun owners. Zalatix Jul 2012 #16

Along with 99.9% of all gun owners. Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #23

Not all DU gun owners are liberals Art_from_Ark Jul 2012 #270

I support lots of other issues.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #364

YOU might support liberal issues Art_from_Ark Jul 2012 #397

I don't blame gun owners. I don't own guns. However when I have made comments southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #20

"guns that fire rapidly" - what on earth are you on about now? Tejas Jul 2012 #51

She's on about guns that fire rapidly. Those of us who don't love guns Chorophyll Jul 2012 #62

I agree. What's with people and their gun fetishes? Lex Jul 2012 #65

I've seen this reaction on more than one thread. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #71

Insisting on facts isn't a "festish" obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #76

Thank you. REP Jul 2012 #216

You're expecting people who generally stay far away from guns Chorophyll Jul 2012 #227

I don't have a gun fetish. Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #72

"Fully automatic guns are illegal. " rl6214 Jul 2012 #247

Drama much? Tejas Jul 2012 #89

You are making the point. As soon as a person says something you don't agree with you southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #88

A simple "I don't know" would do fine. Tejas Jul 2012 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #295

You've seen it before, but here is what some of the gun culture like about SEMI-autos. Hoyt Jul 2012 #158

you know what the poster is trying to say G_j Jul 2012 #209

The poster has a keyboard. Tejas Jul 2012 #215

and presumably you have a brain. nt G_j Jul 2012 #217

Yes, and you are boring it to death. Tejas Jul 2012 #218

LOL, but you really did know what they were attempting to say G_j Jul 2012 #225

What you may find interesting is that the 'worlds fastest shooter' uses a REVOLVER. Edweird Jul 2012 #64

That is crazy obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #77

Kinda rains on the whole 'semi-auto is the DEVIL' parade... Edweird Jul 2012 #83

yes it does Go Vols Jul 2012 #92

Some guy trains himself to pull a trigger faster than a dork off the street with a semi-auto and... Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2012 #157

Faster than anyone on Earth with a semi-auto, actually. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #163

This was a subthread about 'rapid fire'. Edweird Jul 2012 #196

Not really. Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #177

There's a reason infantry trains with their rifles ALL THE TIME. Edweird Jul 2012 #194

You claim that Ray Charles would have had a higher body count and you accuse me of buying into the Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #269

That was an 'over the top' literary device used to make a point. But thanks for playing! Edweird Jul 2012 #277

I didn't know that. But you must admit there is a difference in 8 rounds then 100 rounds. southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #90

He can fire 6 rounds, reload, and fire another 6 rounds - in less than 3 seconds. Edweird Jul 2012 #95

Wow, it is very impressive. southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #104

I don't know much about guns or rifles. Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #110

I don't care what you own. But when a nut like the guy that went shooting southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #294

Cho, the shooter at Virginia Tech fire 170 shots killing 32 and wounding 17 rl6214 Jul 2012 #249

He's amazing REP Jul 2012 #220

Check this dude out Edweird Jul 2012 #235

I've seen him, too - he's pretty awesome REP Jul 2012 #250

I presume you meant.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #365

The glaring problem here (imho): The Straight Story Jul 2012 #22

Because for the most part... -..__... Jul 2012 #29

Come live in the Mountain West... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #52

Maybe it's because of the absolutely predictable hostile reaction enough Jul 2012 #32

If someone mentions reasonable gun laws Kingofalldems Jul 2012 #33

Not true. There is little discussion about reasonable gun laws... HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #105

That's bull. OrwellwasRight Jul 2012 #239

"ruthlessly attacked"? Can you cite to this? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #366

The question is sarisataka Jul 2012 #122

I believe it is the presumed allegiance of all gun owners to the NRA. Laurian Jul 2012 #34

If they're not aligned with the NRA, maybe they should stop promoting the NRA's lies. baldguy Jul 2012 #43

I don't know if they are or not, and I do not appreciate seeing any DU members spouting Laurian Jul 2012 #58

"Perhaps they should state their differences with the NRA despite being gun owners" obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #79

I happen to think there are reasonable gun owners who are not NRA shills, but maybe Laurian Jul 2012 #108

Yes, another example of a purity demand... HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #332

When every pro-gun argument is labled a "NRA talking point" then we have a problem. hack89 Jul 2012 #74

Like the continued insistance that militias have nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment? baldguy Jul 2012 #87

per the2nd Amendment,nothing to do with a militia Go Vols Jul 2012 #102

You need to read Justice Stevens' dissent, not the crud from the 5 right wingers on the court. Hoyt Jul 2012 #159

as stated down thread Go Vols Jul 2012 #167

Justice Stevens dissent is not the law, it is simply dissent by the losing justices rl6214 Jul 2012 #251

It can become law in next case unless NRA succeeds in defeating Obama and other good Dems. Hoyt Jul 2012 #254

It won't become law because President Obama believes in the 2A rl6214 Jul 2012 #268

I doubt he believes people running around with weapons in public is good for society. Hoyt Jul 2012 #289

Dosen't matter whether he says or thinks it's good for society rl6214 Jul 2012 #317

That's less of an "NRA talking point"... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #118

And there you go... baldguy Jul 2012 #132

Nice refutation. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #182

I am just quoting law Go Vols Jul 2012 #148

Wasn't addressed to you. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #166

I've asked repeatedly for someone to diagram the sentence.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #367

So if "more guns breeds more violence" hack89 Jul 2012 #144

Would be a lot less if we had enacted strict gun laws back then. And you know there are other Hoyt Jul 2012 #175

EXACTLY!!! HuckleB Jul 2012 #174

Partly true Kaleva Jul 2012 #49

I agree with you. Blue_In_AK Jul 2012 #35

I don't know which DU members own guns. grantcart Jul 2012 #36

I'd agree with that. Kaleva Jul 2012 #59

Neither do I. muntrv Jul 2012 #37

It's not. It's animosity towards the standard RW extremist lying propaganda posted by gun owners. baldguy Jul 2012 #38

Be careful who you attempt to alienate... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #57

When did blackmail become a Democratic virtue? baldguy Jul 2012 #81

The RW likes to breathe oxygen Go Vols Jul 2012 #115

You sir are a perfect example of the OP permatex Jul 2012 #130

I'm with you. It's disconcerting to read views on guns, shooting people, expansion, etc. in gungeon. Hoyt Jul 2012 #186

Obama Go Vols Jul 2012 #207

Well ask NRA's Wayne LePierrr (?) why he wants to defeat Obama. Hoyt Jul 2012 #211

"It's disconcerting to read views on guns, shooting people, expansion, etc. in gungeon." rl6214 Jul 2012 #256

Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA, 1259 posts in the last 90 days Union Scribe Jul 2012 #263

I am not a DINO, I never go into the Gungeon even for juries obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #73

True that. ohheckyeah Jul 2012 #107

it is failure to understand the difference between gun owners and gun nuts Skittles Jul 2012 #41

So what's the difference? nt rrneck Jul 2012 #133

Support for the NRA is one sign eallen Jul 2012 #341

I've heard that term over and over again permatex Jul 2012 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jul 2012 #191

Wow! with your AMAZING New post count on DU can't you tell us? permatex Jul 2012 #195

To say nothing of people who won't recognize a difference. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #152

Exactly. IMO, when one carries in public, and owns more than a few guns -- they are likely a "nut." Hoyt Jul 2012 #172

A common theme this weekend is defending themselves from the government DainBramaged Jul 2012 #42

Hmmm... -..__... Jul 2012 #47

If that is the reason to arm up, folks can leave their guns at home until the revolution. Hoyt Jul 2012 #169

So, you are asserting that no people need all the protection they can muster from their governments? TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #203

Wow you got all of that from my sentence? DainBramaged Jul 2012 #224

IMO the animosity towards DU gun owners is just the same reactionary BS that we have been TRAINED Vincardog Jul 2012 #44

Because they're so goddamn smug and pretentious about it... nt Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #45

Maybe a few are... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #60

Oh I do. It's simple: cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #46

+1 Go Vols Jul 2012 #119

Nailed it. n/t. Inkfreak Jul 2012 #278

Oh give me a big fukkin break! ananda Jul 2012 #48

Okay... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #66

Bull F'in' Crap Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #100

Superbly put. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #114

Yea, no joke "Patriot act" anyone??? nt virginia mountainman Jul 2012 #226

Friday morning, in one of the early Aurora threads, HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #127

It's funny how those who want to talk about reasonable gun control laws OrwellwasRight Jul 2012 #243

+1 Art_from_Ark Jul 2012 #352

I haven't seen any "muzzling" going on from either side. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #371

To SOME DU members sarisataka Jul 2012 #53

I've seen at least two "nah nah nah" type threads by pro gun people.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #54

That is what did it for me. Kalidurga Jul 2012 #101

"gloating"? Could you link to this please? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #373

Have you also noticed that those with the virulent posts against anyone who owns a gun have been AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #61

Do you come here often? Confusious Jul 2012 #274

If you understand the context of the OP and what was said, you know that the particular thread AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #276

No, I just think you're wrong Confusious Jul 2012 #290

You have no animosity? You didn't post: "274. Do you come here often?" in connection with saying AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #292

I don't understand the vitriol towards DUers who want more sensible gun laws. Lex Jul 2012 #63

That's what I've been reading on DU, Lex Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #69

Because criminals don't obey the 20,000+ laws that we already have? Tejas Jul 2012 #98

Oh BULLshit. Holmes was a law-abiding gun owner--until he wasn't. Lex Jul 2012 #165

20,000 gun laws didn't stop him, Tejas Jul 2012 #170

Maybe a little common sense would have helped - but that's been outlawed by theNRA. baldguy Jul 2012 #214

Who says gun owners ohheckyeah Jul 2012 #267

Gun owners say that. baldguy Jul 2012 #275

One gun owner on the Internet ohheckyeah Jul 2012 #308

Not just one. But you knew that. baldguy Jul 2012 #346

And now you know what I know... ohheckyeah Jul 2012 #350

If you haven't seen much support for no gun restrictions, then you've been blind. baldguy Jul 2012 #354

Or maybe, I just haven't been in every ohheckyeah Jul 2012 #358

And that is not at all "no gun control laws". So you are either very confused.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #375

Who says? Obtuse parrots, that's who. Tejas Jul 2012 #301

"you don't want ANY gun control laws" - well, you know what they say about ASSuming things. Tejas Jul 2012 #300

Ummm... so what? PavePusher Jul 2012 #374

Then you have the "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" group. Pholus Jul 2012 #284

Guns are our abortion. Atman Jul 2012 #70

Just so. +1. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #385

You're a regressive monster as bad as Mr. Holmes. ileus Jul 2012 #75

Sarcasm? Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #80

It is. rrneck Jul 2012 #137

don't pretend this is about All DU Gun Owners fascisthunter Jul 2012 #78

I don't understand the animosity of DU posters, in general. Peregrine Took Jul 2012 #84

In my 8 years here... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #91

I'm not anti-gun...I'm for sensible (common sense) gun laws. And most know what they should be, demosincebirth Jul 2012 #86

There is a bigoted belief, common among middle class urban progressives... Odin2005 Jul 2012 #93

I'm an urban progressive... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #97

I am rrneck rrneck Jul 2012 #139

When I was 16 I spent the better part of the summer on the farm Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #213

This Fargo guy is glad to hear that! Odin2005 Jul 2012 #229

Every one of these killers has pipoman Jul 2012 #94

BAM... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #99

I agree. The right wingers help on one end by promoting easy access to guns, and cut funding on Hoyt Jul 2012 #188

We think that guns should not be around and that without guns this would not happen. To me it is a robinlynne Jul 2012 #103

The best advice that I can give you is to ingore the ones who go to far Marrah_G Jul 2012 #109

It Goes Both Ways - otohara Jul 2012 #111

so what in the hell does anyone need a automatic for ? a gun is ok but machine guns glock etc ????? april Jul 2012 #116

Automatics are heavily regulated and pricey Kaleva Jul 2012 #124

I assume you're speaking of fully automatic weapons? Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #176

Yes Kaleva Jul 2012 #200

I have yet Go Vols Jul 2012 #129

I can't recall an automatic being used in this shooting or any other major ones lately. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #153

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #378

No hate, no animosity, mahina Jul 2012 #125

Every hunting rifle ever used is directly derived from a military design. PavePusher Jul 2012 #379

Go read Johnny Rico's thread stranger81 Jul 2012 #126

Please. beevul Jul 2012 #271

Gun owner here......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #135

As I see it, Cary Jul 2012 #141

The animosity towards and broad-brushing - lynne Jul 2012 #142

Never owned a gun. Probably never will. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #143

ty Go Vols Jul 2012 #151

I don't know know any DUers who feel otherwise. HuckleB Jul 2012 #183

Just pointing out how appreciative I am of the Big Tent that is our party. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #193

OK. So what is the point of the OP? HuckleB Jul 2012 #197

After reading most of the post here Pakid Jul 2012 #145

I’ve seen a lot of mindless rage directed at gun owners all weekend Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #147

Youre absolutely wrong, it IS A GUN PROBLEM bowens43 Jul 2012 #149

Funny But I Missed All Of The Posts You Are Complaining About DallasNE Jul 2012 #160

Agree. It is not a gun problem it is a culture of violence problem. harun Jul 2012 #162

Guns and military BlueinOhio Jul 2012 #164

I agree with you, "This isn't a gun problem. This is a societal problem." It manifests RKP5637 Jul 2012 #168

Exactly. It's easier emilyg Jul 2012 #178

And I really have no idea what the solution is because the problems in RKP5637 Jul 2012 #202

Not true. HuckleB Jul 2012 #180

I certainly agree with that, but I do think we have some deep societal RKP5637 Jul 2012 #198

Of course we do. We're a community made up of humans. HuckleB Jul 2012 #199

Just curious, what would be an effective way to attempt to reduce RKP5637 Jul 2012 #208

Let's start... Buddyblazon Jul 2012 #223

You do realize that it will take years. HuckleB Jul 2012 #244

I have no doubt it can be addressed. A lot of it has to do, of course, RKP5637 Jul 2012 #296

Perhaps I have a simplistic emilyg Jul 2012 #344

Yep, I agree. There is little that is "feel good" today. I think all of the RKP5637 Jul 2012 #345

"knives, fists would be far slower" PavePusher Jul 2012 #381

What animosity toward DU gun owners? HuckleB Jul 2012 #173

no shit Go Vols Jul 2012 #179

What is an "anti gun religionist?" HuckleB Jul 2012 #181

I would Go Vols Jul 2012 #184

So what is a "gun religionist?" HuckleB Jul 2012 #187

Google it Go Vols Jul 2012 #210

So you can't define a term you use? HuckleB Jul 2012 #241

I have only seen the term used here Go Vols Jul 2012 #252

There is a particular virulent anti-gun poster here that spews that term non-stop. hack89 Jul 2012 #291

Well, they might be flirting, you be the judge. Tejas Jul 2012 #192

"They" equals two questionable posts? HuckleB Jul 2012 #201

This type of rhetoric has been going on since day 1. beevul Jul 2012 #272

Thank you! I don't understand it, either. OnionPatch Jul 2012 #185

Just remember, DU is not a reflection of real life. Lil Missy Jul 2012 #190

Most intelligent post I've seen lately. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #380

I'll bite sellitman Jul 2012 #206

Hold on.... virginia mountainman Jul 2012 #236

Nobody needs a AK-47 to defend themselves or shoot deer sellitman Jul 2012 #240

As I said before...Since you clearly did not read my post. virginia mountainman Jul 2012 #245

Semi-auto AK-pattern rifles are excellent for deer hunting, in legal configuration. PavePusher Jul 2012 #382

Sick sellitman Jul 2012 #399

"screw humanity" how? PavePusher Jul 2012 #400

+1000 OrwellwasRight Jul 2012 #238

"the spread of automatic weapons" - hyperbole and call it a "valid discussion? Tejas Jul 2012 #248

Yes, rational discussion. OrwellwasRight Jul 2012 #253

"the spread of automatic weapons" - well? Tejas Jul 2012 #260

thanks for the having the patience G_j Jul 2012 #273

Any ammo that can take down a deer or elk will go through almost any modern body armor. PavePusher Jul 2012 #383

I never said aything about "full auto" OrwellwasRight Jul 2012 #409

It is very difficult to have a rational policy discussion... Marengo Jul 2012 #410

Policy should be based on the good of the community. OrwellwasRight Jul 2012 #413

LOL! Uh, I didn't say your father hunted with armor piercing ammuntion... Marengo Jul 2012 #414

You gave up on respectful conversation in your last post. OrwellwasRight Jul 2012 #415

Nothing "percieved" about it, my knowledge is superior to yours on this subject Marengo Aug 2012 #417

Oh, and I wouldn't listen to a word of what you would have to say... Marengo Aug 2012 #419

I will quote you: PavePusher Jul 2012 #411

No. OrwellwasRight Jul 2012 #412

Do you understand what's been explained to you... Marengo Aug 2012 #418

Reid voted against the '94 AWB, the moonbats have never forgotten that. Tejas Jul 2012 #230

K & R thank you for posting this rollin74 Jul 2012 #232

Thank you for posting this as well.. virginia mountainman Jul 2012 #237

What needs to be said? HuckleB Jul 2012 #242

Lol Union Scribe Jul 2012 #262

In other words, you fail to support your claims. HuckleB Jul 2012 #394

Lol Union Scribe Jul 2012 #398

The search bar. Clames Jul 2012 #311

Ah, the usual Internet cop out. HuckleB Jul 2012 #395

Cop out? HAHAHAA Clames Jul 2012 #396

Here, allow me to explain... Scootaloo Jul 2012 #255

As usual, Scootaloo, you get to the core of this issue. Pholus Jul 2012 #280

Well said. nt Chorophyll Jul 2012 #297

"Something like 20 minutes after news broke about Aurora, there were posts on DU..." PavePusher Jul 2012 #384

+ brazillion. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #416

I guess some of us... liberalmuse Jul 2012 #257

So. How. Do. You. Propose. To. Eliminate, Over. 250,000,000. Of. Them? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #266

By challenging their bloviating loudly. Pholus Jul 2012 #285

That's not an answer. I'm asking about the actual mechanism of tracking down and seizing Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #337

And that is why you fail... Pholus Jul 2012 #355

So typical. I don't think you've thought this through and point it out, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #356

Oh, PUH-LEASE nothing is typical about this. Pholus Jul 2012 #357

To quote; "... if they dare suggest gun control, never mind banning them altogether." Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #361

All too easy... Pholus Jul 2012 #368

DIdn't say that either, but please, do go on. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #370

And still the question remains unanswered. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #372

And considering how you hijacked the discussion to ask it, you won't be getting an answer. Pholus Jul 2012 #393

"conflates deer rifles with modded AR-15's" PavePusher Jul 2012 #386

You don't understand animosity at DU? jberryhill Jul 2012 #259

K&R cliffordu Jul 2012 #261

A lot of them are condescending douchebags who wave their guns in our face after people are killed. Evoman Jul 2012 #264

"douchebags who wave their guns in our face after people are killed" PavePusher Jul 2012 #387

You monster! Thanks for trying. K&R Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #265

My wife was similar to your friends sarisataka Jul 2012 #326

Women are usually the best shots in my experience. I think its funny as hell Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #333

Oh.... okay... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #283

we should have nothing but respect for all the gun owners who stand up to the gun nuts of the NRA Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #286

What specific "tough, strict gun control laws" do I have to support.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #388

I'm sorry, but this is an "emotional" argument. NT Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #287

I imagine the animosity is more towards the intractable dogmas held... LanternWaste Jul 2012 #298

I have no animosity. xmas74 Jul 2012 #299

I don't either. I don't own a gun, and hope never to have to. Taverner Jul 2012 #303

Animosity? Animals have a right to have their own city. L0oniX Jul 2012 #304

Guns freak me out. I wouldn't even want to touch one lightworker at work Jul 2012 #328

While I admire and appreciate your stance, I have to ask.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #389

I don't understand the animosity LWolf Jul 2012 #335

Not gun OWNERS, gun NUTS Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #336

I don't really think there are any of those left anymore. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #390

I hate guns but if people are responsible with them marlakay Jul 2012 #338

"tighten up the rules" - In CA there is a 10-day waiting period (?????????????) Tejas Jul 2012 #351

Marta and I own a few Omaha Steve Jul 2012 #340

Semi-auto guns have been around since the 1920s Mimosa Jul 2012 #347

So you were sold a gun. Scruffy1 Jul 2012 #353

98% of gun-haters are Republican. Tejas Jul 2012 #376

"The crap I hear about self defense is just that." PavePusher Jul 2012 #391

You reap what you sow Warpy Jul 2012 #392

Silliness andyv2k14 Jul 2012 #401

I do you support a terrorist bully organization: the nra gopiscrap Jul 2012 #402

I have 12 guns, none of which have killed anyone while in my possesion. PavePusher Jul 2012 #407

I agree. And when I've had a non-gun owner question, the DU folks gateley Jul 2012 #403