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jmbar2

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86. Can we work from within their frame?

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 05:35 PM

Jan 2018

For one, never let them frame a conversation using Faux News talking points. Engage them in discussions that don't have fixed talking points they can fall back on.

Ex: Which country is closest to your ideal form of society and government? What makes it ideal?

You can then maneuver to topics that authoritarians would agree with:
- Do you think it's possible to have a good society without a strong system of laws that apply to everyone?
- Is it important for leaders to demonstrate respect for the law?
- What happens when leaders don't respect the laws of the land? What should happen to them?

Do you think Trump obeys the laws?

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Had an encounter with a small group of Trumpers, and am left utterly flabbergasted! [View all] markpkessinger Jan 2018 OP

I'm sometimes a belligerant drunk in a bar... ret5hd Jan 2018 #1

I think they are repeating what they hear on fox wasupaloopa Jan 2018 #2

And RW radio like rush lunasun Jan 2018 #36

Yeah, if they are a trump fan Cha Jan 2018 #46

They're authoritarians and Trump is their leader. Hortensis Jan 2018 #48

Too right. Authoritarians to the core. GoneOffShore Jan 2018 #78

I. Can't. Even. Either. Hortensis Jan 2018 #82

Just the language get over it, huh? gratuitous Jan 2018 #3

You are making a big mistake Sampan Jan 2018 #4

Welcome To DU! SoCalMusicLover Jan 2018 #9

Thanks for the welcome! Sampan Jan 2018 #16

Welcome to du, Sampan! Heartstrings Jan 2018 #55

Thanks! Sampan Jan 2018 #93

I have no intention of changing them. Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #18

Most of them are too far gone to be humiliated. Mariana Jan 2018 #37

Over half of conservatives are strong authoritarians, Hortensis Jan 2018 #50

Yes, precisely, they will excuse or rationalize ANYTHING mreilly Jan 2018 #53

They are no different than the mobs that idealized Hitler and Mussolini. olegramps Jan 2018 #76

Had it been Obama or Hillary, they likely TOTALLY would've understood ... mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #5

Yep not fooled Jan 2018 #32

Just tell them that people on Facebook... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #6

trump's election flying rabbit Jan 2018 #7

It's like turning the light on and LittleGirl Jan 2018 #30

Except they aren't scattering. nt. Mariana Jan 2018 #38

Exactly, roaches have the good manners to try to hide their grossness bigbrother05 Jan 2018 #75

Your First Mistake Was Staying More Than 1 Minute SoCalMusicLover Jan 2018 #8

Yup. JawJaw Jan 2018 #47

They will die off (they must, eventually) FiveGoodMen Jan 2018 #87

You must not live in a solid red state where such deplorables are common? Hoyt Jan 2018 #10

I live in NYC ... markpkessinger Jan 2018 #44

I am sorry to hear this BUT ... SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #67

They are only imitating their leaders ladym55 Jan 2018 #11

I recently had someone tell me there are more Phoenix61 Jan 2018 #12

Because all their RW media was continually frothing at the mouth about antifa MrPurple Jan 2018 #28

They have no idea how someone in the office of President should act. lpbk2713 Jan 2018 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Kajun Gal Jan 2018 #14

You and 70% of whites are the same then. lunatica Jan 2018 #71

I'm genuinely far more concerned RandomAccess Jan 2018 #15

Government is not real to them. It's zentrum Jan 2018 #17

I wonder what they would have said if you asked them: pnwmom Jan 2018 #19

They are convinced that Obama actually said that and worse. yardwork Jan 2018 #25

Or from Slovenia😁 Orange Free State Jan 2018 #34

Hell, they believe Obama is an immigrant from a "shithole" country. Mariana Jan 2018 #39

They think Hawaii is a shithole country. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #40

The nutcases don't believe he was born in Hawaii at all. nt. Mariana Jan 2018 #42

Of course RUMPERS like shitholes Liberalagogo Jan 2018 #20

Don't waste any of your time... llmart Jan 2018 #21

"I understand ya'll are stupid enough to believe fox news so I'll just leave it at that." Alpeduez21 Jan 2018 #22

It's a gutter-level world view bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #23

I unfriend someone two weeks ago. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #24

Did they have any outlook on the coming indictments? byronius Jan 2018 #26

The USA is now a "belligerent drunk at the local bar" DBoon Jan 2018 #27

They are a cult. Denis 11 Jan 2018 #29

here's my response to a thumper LittleGirl Jan 2018 #31

Brava for that! n/t markpkessinger Jan 2018 #45

thank you. a moment of clarity for me. n/t LittleGirl Jan 2018 #62

Just do what they do... Orange Free State Jan 2018 #33

My late cousin Ohiogal Jan 2018 #41

Best to retire and live near a major base Orange Free State Jan 2018 #43

You rock GrapesOfWrath Jan 2018 #69

"mental judo" sammythecat Jan 2018 #72

Most of the time Orange Free State Jan 2018 #90

similar mehrrh Jan 2018 #35

Trumpers are by and large Ugly Americans mnhtnbb Jan 2018 #49

What was the collective IQ? Throck Jan 2018 #51

See, that's the thing . . . . markpkessinger Jan 2018 #92

yep, you are deluding yourself to believe that batshit crazies can be reasoned with.... beachbum bob Jan 2018 #52

He is saying Heartstrings Jan 2018 #54

Those are all the Fox News / Hannity talking points oberliner Jan 2018 #56

A tRump fan told me that the shithole comment was not racist, but economic. lkinwi Jan 2018 #57

I have noticed the RWNJ also believe Alwaysna Jan 2018 #58

probably more than half of the population Stanley Roper Jan 2018 #59

More evidence that the racism is a feature, not a bug with his supporters... PunkinPi Jan 2018 #60

Sounds like you were subjected to the t Rump version of a cultist 'love bomb'. Mc Mike Jan 2018 #61

I believe most tRumper's to be Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2018 #63

I call it "Belligerent Ignorance". They fight so hard against knowledge. SharonAnn Jan 2018 #68

There's two Americas - those who watch Fox News and those who don't. Initech Jan 2018 #64

oh you poor thing. for you: niyad Jan 2018 #65

None of what you have said surprises me...... BlueJac Jan 2018 #66

It's also self evident that they love a bully as a leader lunatica Jan 2018 #70

Double standard is those folks dismissing s*hole who were po'd about deplorables bigbrother05 Jan 2018 #73

I find the problem arguing with brainwashed tRump supporters robbob Jan 2018 #74

They do the 'Gish Gallop' all the time. GoneOffShore Jan 2018 #79

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. MrScorpio Jan 2018 #77

And scene! GoneOffShore Jan 2018 #80

MrScorpio, they're the "exceptional" in Hortensis Jan 2018 #84

What about...? AlleganCarpenter Jan 2018 #81

they know it's wrong but their need to be always right, in the face of overwhelming evidence... Javaman Jan 2018 #83

When I let the current social and political landscape slip just a wee bit out of focus, BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #85

Can we work from within their frame? jmbar2 Jan 2018 #86

They are shitholes so of course they love it. onecaliberal Jan 2018 #88

I have something that ends most any conversation like that. GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #89

If he had made the shithole comment OR the Norway comment Nevernose Jan 2018 #91