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moriah

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119. It wasn't drugging -- I was blitzed from voluntary alcohol consumption.

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 11:45 AM

Jan 2018

Yes, it was a different situation -- for one, Aziz's accuser didn't accuse him of rape, but being a bad date.

Whereas in my caee, we'd already dated before and the relationship was over, he invited me over after work to hang out because we HAD been friends before that brief time dating. I stated as soon as I saw the booze that I didn't mind drinking (even as friends we'd drank together before, and I'd slept on the couch unmolested before) but I wasn't interested in anything else and wanted to get that clear.

I should have simply left when he said "Hey, you can't just say that", instead of saying "Yes I can, and if you can't deal with that I'll just go home." But I believed him when he said "Okay, okay, I understand, geez".

Part of me wonders if me trying to be unequivocal in my statement that just because I was going to potentially be in his apartment drinking didn't mean I wanted sex made him later, after seeing me paseed out, decide to take what I clearly wouldn't give willingly.

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