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Sancho

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21. Don't fool yourself, college administrations are involved to the top...

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:49 AM

Jul 2012

I'm sure that Paterno would have risk being fired if he had gone public. He knew that too. I suspect that behind closed doors Paterno was told by the President and AD that they would handle it and he should be quiet or else start looking for a job. And honestly, to an older generation public coverup of embarrassment was expected. That's not a excuse. He should have reported anything he knew even if it pissed off the administration.

I worked on a college campus over 30 years ago. A freshman coed reported to me that she had been raped. I referred her to counseling and reported it to police. The administration went apeshit that I had not gone to the campus police - literally so that they could cover it up! That's the only time I ever got to meet the VP - to get chewed out for reporting a crime!

Athletics is king. I was a graduate student at UGA when Hershel was playing. Do you remember the President and Vice President were fired for changing grades to keep football players eligible? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Trotter

Personally, I think there should be criminal penalties for coverups of crimes by administrators, but they likely will walk.

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After interviews, the penalty the fans are maddest about is [View all] Are_grits_groceries Jul 2012 OP

that says a lot when the issue was not the $60M DrDan Jul 2012 #1

Nope Are_grits_groceries Jul 2012 #2

I thought it could not impact other sports - wouldn't taking it from the reserve fund do that? DrDan Jul 2012 #3

Difference between the slush fund and direct budget allocations alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #5

Of course, we've seen that all before. sofa king Jul 2012 #9

I don't know about that alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #15

I think you are right. That is exactly what will happen. CTyankee Jul 2012 #17

PSU is going to drop anyways in USN&WR rankings. Chan790 Jul 2012 #28

I don't know what exact fund it is, but Are_grits_groceries Jul 2012 #7

They can make up the $60 mil faster than you think... Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #33

they should dismantle/close the football program datasuspect Jul 2012 #4

Why? LynneSin Jul 2012 #43

The players are not being punished. The NCAA is allowing them to transfer Waltons_Mtn Jul 2012 #52

And remember the players who stay with PSU can still be drafted by the NFL LynneSin Jul 2012 #53

good old fashioned punishment datasuspect Jul 2012 #61

Then you are punishing the wrong people LynneSin Jul 2012 #62

fucking children, in my opinion warrants death, so i'm going easy datasuspect Jul 2012 #63

And Penn State is going to pay for what they did LynneSin Jul 2012 #64

they can never pay for what they did datasuspect Jul 2012 #65

They only have JoePa to blame lunatica Jul 2012 #6

Says a lot about the fans...this penalty really only impacts JoePa's legacy... joeybee12 Jul 2012 #8

Tough shit. HappyMe Jul 2012 #10

TOO BAD! Children were raped and he lifted not one FINGER to stop it. HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #11

In the end, that is the most meaningless penalty of all. Because the games were won 1monster Jul 2012 #12

The other schools do not Are_grits_groceries Jul 2012 #13

Whatever. It is still meaningless because you can't change the results. You can't undo the 1monster Jul 2012 #18

and yet PSU alum, and the paterno family are pissing and moaning about that fact more than anything. frylock Jul 2012 #54

+1 Our zeal to punish has resulted in innocents being punished along with the guilty. Scuba Jul 2012 #16

Paterno and the others were trying to "protect the program" jeff47 Jul 2012 #20

In other words, the process to get rid of the people involved was already done BEFORE 1monster Jul 2012 #25

so is the punishment meaningless, or are innocent people being punished.. frylock Jul 2012 #56

The part that is meaningless is that mentioned as the most stinging in the OP... 1monster Jul 2012 #67

Actually, it removes Paterno from the record books. jeff47 Jul 2012 #71

There are two targets of any punishment jeff47 Jul 2012 #70

Not just the NCAA, but many posters here. CANDO Jul 2012 #73

No one is being stopped from playing football obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #38

And where did I say that? 1monster Jul 2012 #49

Vacating the wins, to me, was punishment to the fans who defended Paterno. LynneSin Jul 2012 #47

You could be right, but since when does the NCAA hold dominion over the fans' opinions? 1monster Jul 2012 #68

Removing his name from the record books is a good and significant thing in my opinion. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #57

Well as long as they're all focused on the important issue in all of this... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #14

If I was one of the victims I would be trying to add the NCAA to my lawsuit. Ganja Ninja Jul 2012 #19

What would you sue teh NCAA for??? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #39

Don't fool yourself, college administrations are involved to the top... Sancho Jul 2012 #21

Yes, exactly MadrasT Jul 2012 #23

Agree with you 1monster Jul 2012 #26

Are you kidding? Are_grits_groceries Jul 2012 #30

maybe so at PSU...the president and AD should have had final authority... Sancho Jul 2012 #69

I'm glad you said this... Chan790 Jul 2012 #31

There will be - the NCAA isn't a law enforcement agency, nor teh courts obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #40

It is really wrong for campus "police" to be the people to report crimes. LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #46

Actually, many if not most campus police departments are regular petronius Jul 2012 #48

They need to lose some of those powers. LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #50

I'd say the same about some municipal PDs - there are horrible petronius Jul 2012 #51

Yeah... because winning is everything... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #22

Nitwits.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #24

I think this is worse than the death penalty obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #41

Indeed. SMU was a doormat for decades hifiguy Jul 2012 #45

Not being a football fan I'm maddest that the crown now goes to Bowden csziggy Jul 2012 #27

That was in some ways the most satisfying part hifiguy Jul 2012 #29

I wonder if they feel it's a punishment on the players ? Sheepshank Jul 2012 #32

I didn't understand it until a DUer stated that it takes Paterno's name out of the record book HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #34

Well, it is kind of stupid to rewrite history... cbdo2007 Jul 2012 #35

i disagree that he 'legitimately' got those wins ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2012 #36

I have Are Grits Groceries to thank lapislzi Jul 2012 #37

Then why strip Olympic medals and Tour wins??? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #42

I don't think they would strip Olympic medals from someone who's coach didn't report a child rape. cbdo2007 Jul 2012 #44

I couldn't imagine how LA would react if something like this happened to John Wooden's legacy Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #55

paterno isn't fit to carry john wooden's jock frylock Jul 2012 #58

now that's an image! But you are right - I can't imagine John Wooden ignoring child rape Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #59

Seems to me, taking away those wins acknowledges that football is super-important malthaussen Jul 2012 #60

roger maris lives dembotoz Jul 2012 #66

Pity any rape victim ... radicalliberal Jul 2012 #72