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Orrex

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21. Perhaps you can enlighten us

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:55 PM

Jan 2018

If the choice is between "futilely pursuing doomed legal efforts" and "resigning oneself to hopelessness," then how can one seek to effect change?

That's not a false dichotomy, by the way, because it doesn't posit those as the only two choices, but rather it asks what one can do if faced with only those two choices.

What other viable choices do you perceive?

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The Problem With Pursing Legal Means To Address Unlawfulness Is That The GOP Won't Jail Anyone. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Jan 2018 OP

So you're advocating Democrats use UNLAWFUL means to address GOP unlawfulness? How quaint. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #1

Where did they say that? Jarqui Jan 2018 #2

"The problem with pursuing legal means is that GOP won't jail anyone" - "legal means won't work." FreepFryer Jan 2018 #3

Where does it say they will pursue illegal means? Jarqui Jan 2018 #5

I just answered your question. Whatever "the problem with legal means," those are the only means. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #6

They did not advocate otherwise Jarqui Jan 2018 #7

Reading always requires interpretation. I will call out posts that encourage illegal activity, FreepFryer Jan 2018 #9

The original post didn't encourage illegal activity Jarqui Jan 2018 #10

You're welcome to your interpretation. I obviously completely disagree that 'nothing could be done'. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #11

But that is another strawman. It does not say 'nothing could be done' by anyone else. Jarqui Jan 2018 #14

LOL. YOUR Strawman. WHO is facing a problem pursuing legal means in the OP? Democrats. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #15

No, as written it implies 'what OTHER THAN LEGAL MEANS can we do about this.' FreepFryer Jan 2018 #16

Jarqui is right. pangaia Jan 2018 #26

I would be glad if no-one else made that inference, but it appears I'm not the only one. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #29

That or relinquish hope ...which is quaint also. nocalflea Jan 2018 #12

Zactly. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #13

If that is your interpretation of the OP, then you should Alert on it Orrex Jan 2018 #17

"The problem with pursuing legal means to obtain a car is that I don't have enough money" FreepFryer Jan 2018 #18

Perhaps you can enlighten us Orrex Jan 2018 #21

Pressing on, on every front, to legally upend the regime. In as many ways as there are Americans. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #22

What exactly does that mean? Orrex Jan 2018 #23

In Churchill's words, "KBO". You figure out how that makes sense in your own context. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #24

Those sure are pretty words! Orrex Jan 2018 #25

Churchill's aren't just "pretty words" and it's not my job to specify EXACTLY what YOU should do. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #28

Nope, that's a feeble attempt at deflection Orrex Jan 2018 #30

Nope. My objection to the OP doesn't require me to advise ANYONE on alternative courses. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #31

Nor, apparently, does it require you to give meaningful responses Orrex Jan 2018 #32

Okay! Keep defending hopelessness - I'll argue for agency. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #33

When I asked you to argue for agency, you parroted empty platitudes Orrex Jan 2018 #35

Agency means WE EACH DECIDE - yet you demand I tell YOU exactly what to do. Your argument is invalid FreepFryer Jan 2018 #36

Great! Then tell us exactly what you do with your precious agency! Orrex Jan 2018 #38

Any act can be a political act. Every morning, CHOOSE YOURS - AND DON'T GIVE UP. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #39

So, another deflection. Well, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Orrex Jan 2018 #40

Not a deflection at all - I'm just not going to tell you EXACTLY what to do, as you demand. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #41

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #44

You have dismissed what I have said thus far, so you don't deserve any help from me. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #45

Here are some examples: Saviolo Jan 2018 #46

Thank you! (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #47

Recommended. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #4

The GOP will say if it helps their cause, it's the will of Gawd. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2018 #8

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2018 #19

This, and it's the opposition's greatest fear about us too. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #20

The GOP won't be in charge forever. Here in Maricopa County AZ, marybourg Jan 2018 #27

I always like a thread where the OP throws out a wild statement and doesn't stay around to discuss. brooklynite Jan 2018 #34

i k r ? FreepFryer Jan 2018 #37

Standard Procedure bpj62 Jan 2018 #42

Exactly - OP thats intentionally provocative and bereft of useful action. For example, see this link FreepFryer Jan 2018 #43

Nice Catch bpj62 Jan 2018 #48