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19. Nothing passes without both the House and Senate.

Reply to wasupaloopa (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 08:47 AM

Jan 2018

What you heard is wrong.

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Dems walking into a trap? DACA vs Government Shutdown [View all] superpatriotman Jan 2018 OP

I think the Dems are bluffing but for a good cause. wasupaloopa Jan 2018 #1

Nothing passes without both the House and Senate. onenote Jan 2018 #19

:) Just a little detail. And DACA is a trap Democrats set Hortensis Jan 2018 #55

We must hold out for DACA. The Latino vote is a critical part of our base... brush Jan 2018 #47

I don't think they can...or they would have done so. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #63

The bigger issue is that this week's DACA debacle shows the President can't be trusted on any deal. brooklynite Jan 2018 #2

Shouldn't that be the party message? superpatriotman Jan 2018 #3

the problem is people who claim to be democrats blaming democrats for what JI7 Jan 2018 #11

+ a million. Wwcd Jan 2018 #31

It is a part of the party message. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #46

Is it possible to keep the government open with only Republican votes? Laf.La.Dem. Jan 2018 #4

No. 60 votes needed in the Senate Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #15

Thanks! Laf.La.Dem. Jan 2018 #18

If Democrats do not support the Dreamers, then they are cowards Gothmog Jan 2018 #5

Who stands up for them if not the Democrats. THAT is what the Dem Party is about! Wwcd Jan 2018 #33

I think so too bdamomma Jan 2018 #42

+1000000 nt brer cat Jan 2018 #69

Dont the repubs have a majority? jambo101 Jan 2018 #6

seems no one can answer jambo101 Jan 2018 #7

no, you aren't missing anything. the republicans got their tax scam through JI7 Jan 2018 #12

Different set of rules. It didn't 60 votes to proceed. This does. onenote Jan 2018 #20

They should have thought about that. JI7 Jan 2018 #21

They did. They think they can say Democrats shut it down for illegal aliens Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #24

And the Dems need to take a page out of Lindsey Graham's playbook avebury Jan 2018 #25

Then that's what the message should be superpatriotman Jan 2018 #27

Also it doesn't fund anything but the military. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #59

Bernie said that the bill before them Farmer-Rick Jan 2018 #36

Because in the Senate Democrat votes are needed to pass a budget deal Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #14

They don't have 50 votes. I am sure McConnell would blow up the filibuster if it would help but it Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #54

I have very mixed feelings on immigration, DACA isn't worth being at fault for a shutdown Amishman Jan 2018 #8

Republicans control congress. if there is a shut down it's their fault. they were able to get their JI7 Jan 2018 #10

The were bought in as kids .. This is the only country they know. Still have misgivings? Le Gaucher Jan 2018 #32

Thank you. K & R your post Wwcd Jan 2018 #34

DACA is about kids brought here who have never known another country...many will die if sent back... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #65

Well, at least you'll realize you'll get flames for blaming Dems for something that isn't their faul kcr Jan 2018 #70

Democrats don't control congress JI7 Jan 2018 #9

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #28

Republicans control Congress but in the Senate Democrat votes are needed to pass the bill Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #13

Totally disagree GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #16

They also spent the previous several years obstructing President Obama. GoCubsGo Jan 2018 #23

I agree - fuck them superpatriotman Jan 2018 #29

Deflecting? You asked for a discussion. This is all part of a discussion. Wwcd Jan 2018 #35

Sorry I did not give your OP the love, care and response you were looking for. GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #68

That was not deflecting gabeana Jan 2018 #73

Republicans knew that it would take Democrats to avoid a government shutdown Mr. Ected Jan 2018 #17

Exactly, and the worst thing was what happened with the Supreme Court Seat JI7 Jan 2018 #22

I agree superpatriotman Jan 2018 #30

The optics are fine. People don't want a wishy washy Democratic Party..Ryan and McConnell thought Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #49

Optics? What, Fox News is going to say bad things 'bout the Democrats? hatrack Jan 2018 #64

That's true Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #51

Shutdown rso Jan 2018 #26

Good point Farmer-Rick Jan 2018 #39

It is a shitty bill and only those Dems at risk in red states should vote for it...we have the votes Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #50

i see more on the line here IF DACA isn't included NOW the bluestarone Jan 2018 #37

87% of Americans support DACA malaise Jan 2018 #38

The republicans dont need Dems. The fact is republicans are NOT on board with their own bill. onecaliberal Jan 2018 #40

It is that callousness of human life that is the difference with a Democrat and Republican. Anny61 Jan 2018 #41

As much as it hurts, Democrats need to make a stand. haele Jan 2018 #43

DACA is as good a hill to fight and die on as any. dawg Jan 2018 #44

You are requesting that the Democrats take part in an act of cowardice... NCTraveler Jan 2018 #45

Dems are not giving up anything...Trump went to court so he could begin deporting Dreamers now. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #48

Its a 90-10 issue. They're doing fine. But thanks for worrying on their behalf. Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 #52

The promises made to them, in many cases their very LIVES being at stake if deported? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #53

I am proud to be a Democrat because like you said that is how we roll...let's roll! Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #57

See you tomorrow, if not in person in spirit. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #58

See you tomorrow...Hubs is home for the first time in two weeks...he took a job in Cleveland an Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #62

Correct. There is a right and wrong here. I/my party is not going to be on the side of wrong. Anny61 Jan 2018 #66

It is an attempt by Repubs to stem the Blue Wave Evergreen Emerald Jan 2018 #56

CHIP and the Dreamers' peril are entirely Republican creations. Orsino Jan 2018 #60

Isn't CHIP a factor, too? cilla4progress Jan 2018 #61

either stand on principles or just surrender, I have seen too many democrats surrender beachbum bob Jan 2018 #67

I think they should just go along now - get the CHIP - keep reminding people how fucked Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #71

I think it is a tough issue in the short run but a winner in the long run. kentuck Jan 2018 #72