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Lee-Lee

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24. They did. They think they can say Democrats shut it down for illegal aliens

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 09:43 AM

Jan 2018

And that people will not side with us.

It’s a gamble on both sides to see how the nation reacts.

They will be showing all the Servicemembers who are not getting paid and say “Democrats chose to make them go without pay because they care more about illegal aliens” and all the similar nonsense.

I just hope our folks have a better and stronger message about why it’s the right thing to do and they can effectively get it out there.

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Dems walking into a trap? DACA vs Government Shutdown [View all] superpatriotman Jan 2018 OP

I think the Dems are bluffing but for a good cause. wasupaloopa Jan 2018 #1

Nothing passes without both the House and Senate. onenote Jan 2018 #19

:) Just a little detail. And DACA is a trap Democrats set Hortensis Jan 2018 #55

We must hold out for DACA. The Latino vote is a critical part of our base... brush Jan 2018 #47

I don't think they can...or they would have done so. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #63

The bigger issue is that this week's DACA debacle shows the President can't be trusted on any deal. brooklynite Jan 2018 #2

Shouldn't that be the party message? superpatriotman Jan 2018 #3

the problem is people who claim to be democrats blaming democrats for what JI7 Jan 2018 #11

+ a million. Wwcd Jan 2018 #31

It is a part of the party message. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #46

Is it possible to keep the government open with only Republican votes? Laf.La.Dem. Jan 2018 #4

No. 60 votes needed in the Senate Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #15

Thanks! Laf.La.Dem. Jan 2018 #18

If Democrats do not support the Dreamers, then they are cowards Gothmog Jan 2018 #5

Who stands up for them if not the Democrats. THAT is what the Dem Party is about! Wwcd Jan 2018 #33

I think so too bdamomma Jan 2018 #42

+1000000 nt brer cat Jan 2018 #69

Dont the repubs have a majority? jambo101 Jan 2018 #6

seems no one can answer jambo101 Jan 2018 #7

no, you aren't missing anything. the republicans got their tax scam through JI7 Jan 2018 #12

Different set of rules. It didn't 60 votes to proceed. This does. onenote Jan 2018 #20

They should have thought about that. JI7 Jan 2018 #21

They did. They think they can say Democrats shut it down for illegal aliens Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #24

And the Dems need to take a page out of Lindsey Graham's playbook avebury Jan 2018 #25

Then that's what the message should be superpatriotman Jan 2018 #27

Also it doesn't fund anything but the military. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #59

Bernie said that the bill before them Farmer-Rick Jan 2018 #36

Because in the Senate Democrat votes are needed to pass a budget deal Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #14

They don't have 50 votes. I am sure McConnell would blow up the filibuster if it would help but it Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #54

I have very mixed feelings on immigration, DACA isn't worth being at fault for a shutdown Amishman Jan 2018 #8

Republicans control congress. if there is a shut down it's their fault. they were able to get their JI7 Jan 2018 #10

The were bought in as kids .. This is the only country they know. Still have misgivings? Le Gaucher Jan 2018 #32

Thank you. K & R your post Wwcd Jan 2018 #34

DACA is about kids brought here who have never known another country...many will die if sent back... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #65

Well, at least you'll realize you'll get flames for blaming Dems for something that isn't their faul kcr Jan 2018 #70

Democrats don't control congress JI7 Jan 2018 #9

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #28

Republicans control Congress but in the Senate Democrat votes are needed to pass the bill Lee-Lee Jan 2018 #13

Totally disagree GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #16

They also spent the previous several years obstructing President Obama. GoCubsGo Jan 2018 #23

I agree - fuck them superpatriotman Jan 2018 #29

Deflecting? You asked for a discussion. This is all part of a discussion. Wwcd Jan 2018 #35

Sorry I did not give your OP the love, care and response you were looking for. GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #68

That was not deflecting gabeana Jan 2018 #73

Republicans knew that it would take Democrats to avoid a government shutdown Mr. Ected Jan 2018 #17

Exactly, and the worst thing was what happened with the Supreme Court Seat JI7 Jan 2018 #22

I agree superpatriotman Jan 2018 #30

The optics are fine. People don't want a wishy washy Democratic Party..Ryan and McConnell thought Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #49

Optics? What, Fox News is going to say bad things 'bout the Democrats? hatrack Jan 2018 #64

That's true Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #51

Shutdown rso Jan 2018 #26

Good point Farmer-Rick Jan 2018 #39

It is a shitty bill and only those Dems at risk in red states should vote for it...we have the votes Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #50

i see more on the line here IF DACA isn't included NOW the bluestarone Jan 2018 #37

87% of Americans support DACA malaise Jan 2018 #38

The republicans dont need Dems. The fact is republicans are NOT on board with their own bill. onecaliberal Jan 2018 #40

It is that callousness of human life that is the difference with a Democrat and Republican. Anny61 Jan 2018 #41

As much as it hurts, Democrats need to make a stand. haele Jan 2018 #43

DACA is as good a hill to fight and die on as any. dawg Jan 2018 #44

You are requesting that the Democrats take part in an act of cowardice... NCTraveler Jan 2018 #45

Dems are not giving up anything...Trump went to court so he could begin deporting Dreamers now. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #48

Its a 90-10 issue. They're doing fine. But thanks for worrying on their behalf. Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 #52

The promises made to them, in many cases their very LIVES being at stake if deported? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #53

I am proud to be a Democrat because like you said that is how we roll...let's roll! Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #57

See you tomorrow, if not in person in spirit. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #58

See you tomorrow...Hubs is home for the first time in two weeks...he took a job in Cleveland an Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #62

Correct. There is a right and wrong here. I/my party is not going to be on the side of wrong. Anny61 Jan 2018 #66

It is an attempt by Repubs to stem the Blue Wave Evergreen Emerald Jan 2018 #56

CHIP and the Dreamers' peril are entirely Republican creations. Orsino Jan 2018 #60

Isn't CHIP a factor, too? cilla4progress Jan 2018 #61

either stand on principles or just surrender, I have seen too many democrats surrender beachbum bob Jan 2018 #67

I think they should just go along now - get the CHIP - keep reminding people how fucked Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #71

I think it is a tough issue in the short run but a winner in the long run. kentuck Jan 2018 #72