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Tejas

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59. How about health care to help people like Holmes?

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:04 PM

Jul 2012

"time for more gun regulation then no?"

"Time"? Time, as in it's time to "do SOMETHING because OMG we need to do SOMETHING!!1!"? More gun regulation huh? 20,000+ gun laws on the books, how about enforcing the ones we already have?

Nahhhhhhh, we don't need no stinking heath care, just more gun laws!

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What is then need for a 100 round bullet magazine other than war? [View all] uponit7771 Jul 2012 OP

It's cheaper than Viagra. onehandle Jul 2012 #1

Yeap, I'm thinking the same thing...there's no need for such mag...didn't the guy that shot Kathy uponit7771 Jul 2012 #4

LOL The 100 round magazine could actually be substituted for Viagra doc03 Jul 2012 #7

Viagra is WAY cheaper than a 100rnd magazine. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #77

Shooting the red star out of the piece of paper...for a stuffed animal?...nt Evasporque Jul 2012 #2

Some of us enjoy shooting Chuuku Davis Jul 2012 #3

I can't kill more people with a 400hp can than I can with a 150hp car... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #6

I have the right to enjoy going to a movie without worrying about doc03 Jul 2012 #12

....with a freaking fully automatic pistol at that...so they don't even need to have an assault uponit7771 Jul 2012 #14

Huh??? justanidea Jul 2012 #16

Don't know...not relavant to the point made. uponit7771 Jul 2012 #29

Well, that's it, isn't it? Iggy Jul 2012 #62

Congress doing anything, anymore, is a huge LOL. Congress won't RKP5637 Jul 2012 #132

Congress = FAIL Iggy Jul 2012 #136

General George S. Patten said the M1 Garand was "The Greatest battle implement ever devised" doc03 Jul 2012 #19

and actually used a "clip". nt Remmah2 Jul 2012 #33

"ping" deaniac21 Jul 2012 #147

And technology didn't freeze after WWII. PavePusher Jul 2012 #113

Same goes for the police, the 6 shot revolver was the standard issue weopon doc03 Jul 2012 #134

You're right.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #137

The point of it is people hunted and shot target for decades without doc03 Jul 2012 #146

Almost every hunting rifle ever used is derived directly from a military firearm. PavePusher Jul 2012 #163

Did anyone say people hunted with a 100 round magazine? Anytime anyone ever doc03 Jul 2012 #170

If you're going to insinuate that I want to kill people, this conversation is over. Good day to you PavePusher Jul 2012 #171

I'm not so sure it was civilian firepower that caused police to upgrade, HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #148

Weren't the drug gangs civilians hmmm? n/t doc03 Jul 2012 #153

Well yes, bit I was differenciating between members of a criminal enterprise and common street thugs HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #155

The police have to arm themselves to face the worst of criminals. What would they do if they come doc03 Jul 2012 #157

I agree, and you have now come around to my point. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #159

I'm sure there are many street thugs that have a Glock or whatever. I don't understand doc03 Jul 2012 #169

Yes. It continued in use through Vietnam as an accurate sniper rifle. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #145

Even with the M-16 in full auto you were told to shoot a three round burst doc03 Jul 2012 #156

The zombie apacolypse? democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #5

It would probably jam and then you would be screwed !!!!!!! Marrah_G Jul 2012 #128

I'll stick with a machete then. democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #172

My son likes to remind me.... Marrah_G Jul 2012 #173

Niiiiice. democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #175

Shooting chipmonks. They're fast. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #8

lol...gotta bust a cap at em before they start singing uponit7771 Jul 2012 #9

... Chorophyll Jul 2012 #23

The military doesn't use something like Holmes used obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #10

Ah, so even the damn militarys don't use it?!!? uponit7771 Jul 2012 #11

High-capacity after-market magazines are notoriously unreliable obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #17

A mass murderer would use one if they can get it to work reliably... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #24

A mass murder does a lot of things normal people don't do obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #119

The military has special high-capacity magazines Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #140

If they jammed like you claimed? gregoire Jul 2012 #158

See post #115. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #117

Correct, they use BELT-FED Tejas Jul 2012 #39

Ummmm... not quite true. PavePusher Jul 2012 #115

They do not use after-market junk obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #118

Yes... PavePusher Jul 2012 #135

Wots of wascally wabbits eating my cawwots. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2012 #13

Novelty paperweight slackmaster Jul 2012 #15

I think a better question would be: 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #18

Cause it allows a person to shoot a lot of things without the need to reload and be able to get at.. uponit7771 Jul 2012 #20

Reload time is not an issue... rrneck Jul 2012 #30

It is if I'm not trained and don't care to be, see...the take rate on mass killings with a 100 round uponit7771 Jul 2012 #32

I haven't been to the range in forever rrneck Jul 2012 #73

Good reason to restrict semi-autos, especially on the streets. Hoyt Jul 2012 #88

SHH rrneck Jul 2012 #91

2 seconds in a situation like that is a lot! I played sprots for a long time, humans move fast when uponit7771 Jul 2012 #95

Try it right after rrneck Jul 2012 #100

If there were 200 people in a theatre?! I'd take the 2 seconds for them to reload... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #103

That's a mighty specific SHTF scenario you got there. rrneck Jul 2012 #116

Reloading is far less of a concern for these people 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #49

Well this "idiotic shooter" shot 71 people before it jammed. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #25

+1!! He plugged over 70 people with a clip that was unreliable...that's an argument FOR... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #31

It's not that they ALWAYS jam, it's that it's much more likely. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #50

It would be more safe for mass killers to have to reload than to not have to be concerned with uponit7771 Jul 2012 #72

True...but I just don't think the DEGREE of additional safety would be very large. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #90

The drum mag definitely jammes obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #123

The shooter had a shotgun and two handguns obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #121

Perhaps he should have been limited to a smaller clip 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #51

If peope are gonna use the argument that this clip is harmless because it jams, Chorophyll Jul 2012 #109

Point out where I said large magazines are "harmless" 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #162

according to the survivors Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #141

Well, that's a good argument for both gun control AND ammunition control. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #143

Small point; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #43

Possibly more than you want to know... PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #63

Same function. Gun culture uses distinction to "show" opposition doesn't know anything about guns Hoyt Jul 2012 #85

You wave your ignorance around as if you were proud of it 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #92

Probably know more about guns - and those who covet them - than you. Why I'm for tough restrictions. Hoyt Jul 2012 #101

So you alternate between being an expert and proud of your ignorance on the subject? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #108

I do. Maybe you don't even understand yourself, much less other gun owners you associate with. Hoyt Jul 2012 #138

Yep, I knew it 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #161

You "know" gun owners as a group they way Pamela Geller "knows" Muslims as a group... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #111

I could understand for 22LR but any centerfire...that's way too much cash ileus Jul 2012 #21

Because they look good in cops' machineguns? Tejas Jul 2012 #22

So I can get to legal MPH faster, that's the need for corvette. Also, I dont' kill more people with uponit7771 Jul 2012 #26

No faster than with a .22 Tejas Jul 2012 #35

"View profile semi-auto is semi-auto, one trigger pull = one bang" - less reloading = more trigger uponit7771 Jul 2012 #44

How about health care to help people like Holmes? Tejas Jul 2012 #59

I wouldn't prioritize the long term effect of that health care over the short term gain of getting uponit7771 Jul 2012 #74

Have it your way but putting off health care got us where we are. Tejas Jul 2012 #80

I don't know about that, I haven't concluded ... they guys scheme was VERY VERY uponit7771 Jul 2012 #89

Granted, but to punish 80 million gunowners because of Holmes... Tejas Jul 2012 #112

You don't shoot at people with a Corvette. nt Chorophyll Jul 2012 #27

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2012 #28

Well true Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #34

Cars use is regulated, gun use relative to safty of populous isn't uponit7771 Jul 2012 #37

As I mentioned Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #40

...neither is killing massive amounts of people uponit7771 Jul 2012 #45

Totally agreed Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #46

...after the fact, before the fact prevention would be a lot more effective no? uponit7771 Jul 2012 #52

Thousands of people Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #60

...and tens of thousands of people drive vettes everyday and don't hurt anyone that doesnt uponit7771 Jul 2012 #84

Same for 'vettes. PavePusher Jul 2012 #122

Got a Bureau of Pre-Crime handy? PavePusher Jul 2012 #120

Neither ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #53

The right to own a rifle is Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #61

either all gun laws are against the constitution or reasonable ones are not samsingh Jul 2012 #54

Nah, to some of these guys we should all be able to own FROG nukes and then be sent to uponit7771 Jul 2012 #57

its funny (sad actually) - facts that support gun control are considered opinion or irrelvant samsingh Jul 2012 #81

There's a difference between arms and munitions Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #65

interpreting the words in an agreement is reaonable and talking about it is reasonable samsingh Jul 2012 #82

"gun use relative to safty of populous isn't" Tejas Jul 2012 #47

...just when you think you've seen it all a person walks in to a theatre and guns down 70 uponit7771 Jul 2012 #66

The rational position Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #68

You need to stop with that crazy talk! Tejas Jul 2012 #75

...there's no constitutional right for people to make the greater mass less safe. uponit7771 Jul 2012 #76

How does a law abiding citizens Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #79

So you're position is the greater mass will be MORE safe with a maniac and a 100 round uponit7771 Jul 2012 #86

No Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #96

people who posses 100 round clips = majority?! uponit7771 Jul 2012 #97

100 round clips don't exist. deaniac21 Jul 2012 #152

McVeigh > ban trucks Tejas Jul 2012 #71

...no but make it harder for them to use a bomb with a truck....go ahead and have as many uponit7771 Jul 2012 #78

LOL LOL LOL you're going to prevent that HOW? Tejas Jul 2012 #87

No, we're a smart nation...we put a man on the moon way before I was born we can also come uponit7771 Jul 2012 #94

Gun Control Act of 1968, moonwalk in 1969, 40yrs of Tejas Jul 2012 #102

Corvettes don't kill? Tejas Jul 2012 #36

You gonna take the position that vett can kill more people than an Accord? uponit7771 Jul 2012 #38

Bodycount matters with you? Tejas Jul 2012 #42

Yes, body count matters...I think that's one of the central arguments to the vette counter uponit7771 Jul 2012 #48

Gotta love you prohibitionists Tejas Jul 2012 #69

...something reasonable no? Is it reasonable for a civy to be more loaded than the security forces uponit7771 Jul 2012 #99

Survey your local LEO on the beat. Tejas Jul 2012 #105

If that Civilian is lawful, there is no problem no matter how heavily armed s/he is. PavePusher Jul 2012 #131

Killing is not their primary purpose. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #107

"Killing is not their primary purpose." EX500rider Jul 2012 #144

Oh right. I forgot that guns were invented to shoot paper targets, Chorophyll Jul 2012 #165

Are we talking about what they were invented for or what they are primarily used for? n/t EX500rider Jul 2012 #167

They're not even used in war, really. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #41

That's what I'm learning, even if they were made reliable security forces wouldn't use them uponit7771 Jul 2012 #55

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #64

Not entirely true... PavePusher Jul 2012 #125

It's Not Just the Multiple Round Clips Iggy Jul 2012 #56

i guess what i'm reading is samsingh Jul 2012 #58

The Answer is ... There Isn't One Vox Moi Jul 2012 #67

+1, that's what it's looking like with those positioning for their legal existance. I haven't uponit7771 Jul 2012 #70

And yet the gunsters will tell you there aint no way any laws will change so give up! DCBob Jul 2012 #83

Personally, I'd like to see mental health evaluation for folks who want more guns. Hook em up to Hoyt Jul 2012 #93

Instead of putting one hole in a deer... Alduin Jul 2012 #98

Military personnel don't generally use magazines of that capacity Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #104

This: PavePusher Jul 2012 #126

You keep spamming that link as though the thing's actually anywhere near common. Posteritatis Jul 2012 #168

Are they used for war? HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #106

This: PavePusher Jul 2012 #127

I own and enjoy shooting (targets) IBEWVET Jul 2012 #110

Romney is wrong vanlandingham Jul 2012 #114

Reloading gives people a chance to stop a shooter JPZenger Jul 2012 #149

I don't think there is one Marrah_G Jul 2012 #124

Military uses these: Tejas Jul 2012 #129

Oooh baby, I want a pair of those for deer hunting. Where can I buy them? JPZenger Jul 2012 #150

Bambi could be well armed. Lint Head Jul 2012 #130

Bambi is smarter too. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #174

"Some of those pesky prairie dog towns have a lot of residents" catbyte Jul 2012 #133

You know, the army nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #139

You do know we tried magazine capacity limits before w/ zero effect on crime right? NT Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #142

Strawman noted, not trying to stop crime with limits on number of rounds... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #164

Then what are you doing? Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #166

Here you go Renew Deal Jul 2012 #151

ALL rifles kill how many in a year in the US? EX500rider Jul 2012 #154

3 gun matches michreject Jul 2012 #160

Because the fucking nra tells you need it for safety gopiscrap Jul 2012 #176