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uponit7771

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94. No, we're a smart nation...we put a man on the moon way before I was born we can also come

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:33 PM

Jul 2012

...up with practical means of protecting everyone and keeping rights for the few who want to go "ah shootin shit"...sry, I had to get that out of my system.

Allow me not to be a hypocrite, I have hobbies too and when the government was going to step in on them because of public safety the moaning was loud, long and noticeable...

But the tech of the day relative to the safety of the populous kept both sides at the table, I wish I could share but it's taboo...

Back to subject, I don't think outlawing HVM is going to far....having more arms than the overtly trained security forces that guard the nation seems to be going to far IMHO.

If the police don't need it neither does Frank next door.....jus sayin

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What is then need for a 100 round bullet magazine other than war? [View all] uponit7771 Jul 2012 OP

It's cheaper than Viagra. onehandle Jul 2012 #1

Yeap, I'm thinking the same thing...there's no need for such mag...didn't the guy that shot Kathy uponit7771 Jul 2012 #4

LOL The 100 round magazine could actually be substituted for Viagra doc03 Jul 2012 #7

Viagra is WAY cheaper than a 100rnd magazine. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #77

Shooting the red star out of the piece of paper...for a stuffed animal?...nt Evasporque Jul 2012 #2

Some of us enjoy shooting Chuuku Davis Jul 2012 #3

I can't kill more people with a 400hp can than I can with a 150hp car... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #6

I have the right to enjoy going to a movie without worrying about doc03 Jul 2012 #12

....with a freaking fully automatic pistol at that...so they don't even need to have an assault uponit7771 Jul 2012 #14

Huh??? justanidea Jul 2012 #16

Don't know...not relavant to the point made. uponit7771 Jul 2012 #29

Well, that's it, isn't it? Iggy Jul 2012 #62

Congress doing anything, anymore, is a huge LOL. Congress won't RKP5637 Jul 2012 #132

Congress = FAIL Iggy Jul 2012 #136

General George S. Patten said the M1 Garand was "The Greatest battle implement ever devised" doc03 Jul 2012 #19

and actually used a "clip". nt Remmah2 Jul 2012 #33

"ping" deaniac21 Jul 2012 #147

And technology didn't freeze after WWII. PavePusher Jul 2012 #113

Same goes for the police, the 6 shot revolver was the standard issue weopon doc03 Jul 2012 #134

You're right.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #137

The point of it is people hunted and shot target for decades without doc03 Jul 2012 #146

Almost every hunting rifle ever used is derived directly from a military firearm. PavePusher Jul 2012 #163

Did anyone say people hunted with a 100 round magazine? Anytime anyone ever doc03 Jul 2012 #170

If you're going to insinuate that I want to kill people, this conversation is over. Good day to you PavePusher Jul 2012 #171

I'm not so sure it was civilian firepower that caused police to upgrade, HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #148

Weren't the drug gangs civilians hmmm? n/t doc03 Jul 2012 #153

Well yes, bit I was differenciating between members of a criminal enterprise and common street thugs HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #155

The police have to arm themselves to face the worst of criminals. What would they do if they come doc03 Jul 2012 #157

I agree, and you have now come around to my point. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #159

I'm sure there are many street thugs that have a Glock or whatever. I don't understand doc03 Jul 2012 #169

Yes. It continued in use through Vietnam as an accurate sniper rifle. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #145

Even with the M-16 in full auto you were told to shoot a three round burst doc03 Jul 2012 #156

The zombie apacolypse? democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #5

It would probably jam and then you would be screwed !!!!!!! Marrah_G Jul 2012 #128

I'll stick with a machete then. democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #172

My son likes to remind me.... Marrah_G Jul 2012 #173

Niiiiice. democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #175

Shooting chipmonks. They're fast. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #8

lol...gotta bust a cap at em before they start singing uponit7771 Jul 2012 #9

... Chorophyll Jul 2012 #23

The military doesn't use something like Holmes used obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #10

Ah, so even the damn militarys don't use it?!!? uponit7771 Jul 2012 #11

High-capacity after-market magazines are notoriously unreliable obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #17

A mass murderer would use one if they can get it to work reliably... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #24

A mass murder does a lot of things normal people don't do obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #119

The military has special high-capacity magazines Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #140

If they jammed like you claimed? gregoire Jul 2012 #158

See post #115. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #117

Correct, they use BELT-FED Tejas Jul 2012 #39

Ummmm... not quite true. PavePusher Jul 2012 #115

They do not use after-market junk obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #118

Yes... PavePusher Jul 2012 #135

Wots of wascally wabbits eating my cawwots. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2012 #13

Novelty paperweight slackmaster Jul 2012 #15

I think a better question would be: 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #18

Cause it allows a person to shoot a lot of things without the need to reload and be able to get at.. uponit7771 Jul 2012 #20

Reload time is not an issue... rrneck Jul 2012 #30

It is if I'm not trained and don't care to be, see...the take rate on mass killings with a 100 round uponit7771 Jul 2012 #32

I haven't been to the range in forever rrneck Jul 2012 #73

Good reason to restrict semi-autos, especially on the streets. Hoyt Jul 2012 #88

SHH rrneck Jul 2012 #91

2 seconds in a situation like that is a lot! I played sprots for a long time, humans move fast when uponit7771 Jul 2012 #95

Try it right after rrneck Jul 2012 #100

If there were 200 people in a theatre?! I'd take the 2 seconds for them to reload... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #103

That's a mighty specific SHTF scenario you got there. rrneck Jul 2012 #116

Reloading is far less of a concern for these people 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #49

Well this "idiotic shooter" shot 71 people before it jammed. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #25

+1!! He plugged over 70 people with a clip that was unreliable...that's an argument FOR... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #31

It's not that they ALWAYS jam, it's that it's much more likely. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #50

It would be more safe for mass killers to have to reload than to not have to be concerned with uponit7771 Jul 2012 #72

True...but I just don't think the DEGREE of additional safety would be very large. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #90

The drum mag definitely jammes obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #123

The shooter had a shotgun and two handguns obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #121

Perhaps he should have been limited to a smaller clip 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #51

If peope are gonna use the argument that this clip is harmless because it jams, Chorophyll Jul 2012 #109

Point out where I said large magazines are "harmless" 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #162

according to the survivors Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #141

Well, that's a good argument for both gun control AND ammunition control. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #143

Small point; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #43

Possibly more than you want to know... PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #63

Same function. Gun culture uses distinction to "show" opposition doesn't know anything about guns Hoyt Jul 2012 #85

You wave your ignorance around as if you were proud of it 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #92

Probably know more about guns - and those who covet them - than you. Why I'm for tough restrictions. Hoyt Jul 2012 #101

So you alternate between being an expert and proud of your ignorance on the subject? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #108

I do. Maybe you don't even understand yourself, much less other gun owners you associate with. Hoyt Jul 2012 #138

Yep, I knew it 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #161

You "know" gun owners as a group they way Pamela Geller "knows" Muslims as a group... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #111

I could understand for 22LR but any centerfire...that's way too much cash ileus Jul 2012 #21

Because they look good in cops' machineguns? Tejas Jul 2012 #22

So I can get to legal MPH faster, that's the need for corvette. Also, I dont' kill more people with uponit7771 Jul 2012 #26

No faster than with a .22 Tejas Jul 2012 #35

"View profile semi-auto is semi-auto, one trigger pull = one bang" - less reloading = more trigger uponit7771 Jul 2012 #44

How about health care to help people like Holmes? Tejas Jul 2012 #59

I wouldn't prioritize the long term effect of that health care over the short term gain of getting uponit7771 Jul 2012 #74

Have it your way but putting off health care got us where we are. Tejas Jul 2012 #80

I don't know about that, I haven't concluded ... they guys scheme was VERY VERY uponit7771 Jul 2012 #89

Granted, but to punish 80 million gunowners because of Holmes... Tejas Jul 2012 #112

You don't shoot at people with a Corvette. nt Chorophyll Jul 2012 #27

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2012 #28

Well true Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #34

Cars use is regulated, gun use relative to safty of populous isn't uponit7771 Jul 2012 #37

As I mentioned Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #40

...neither is killing massive amounts of people uponit7771 Jul 2012 #45

Totally agreed Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #46

...after the fact, before the fact prevention would be a lot more effective no? uponit7771 Jul 2012 #52

Thousands of people Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #60

...and tens of thousands of people drive vettes everyday and don't hurt anyone that doesnt uponit7771 Jul 2012 #84

Same for 'vettes. PavePusher Jul 2012 #122

Got a Bureau of Pre-Crime handy? PavePusher Jul 2012 #120

Neither ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #53

The right to own a rifle is Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #61

either all gun laws are against the constitution or reasonable ones are not samsingh Jul 2012 #54

Nah, to some of these guys we should all be able to own FROG nukes and then be sent to uponit7771 Jul 2012 #57

its funny (sad actually) - facts that support gun control are considered opinion or irrelvant samsingh Jul 2012 #81

There's a difference between arms and munitions Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #65

interpreting the words in an agreement is reaonable and talking about it is reasonable samsingh Jul 2012 #82

"gun use relative to safty of populous isn't" Tejas Jul 2012 #47

...just when you think you've seen it all a person walks in to a theatre and guns down 70 uponit7771 Jul 2012 #66

The rational position Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #68

You need to stop with that crazy talk! Tejas Jul 2012 #75

...there's no constitutional right for people to make the greater mass less safe. uponit7771 Jul 2012 #76

How does a law abiding citizens Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #79

So you're position is the greater mass will be MORE safe with a maniac and a 100 round uponit7771 Jul 2012 #86

No Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #96

people who posses 100 round clips = majority?! uponit7771 Jul 2012 #97

100 round clips don't exist. deaniac21 Jul 2012 #152

McVeigh > ban trucks Tejas Jul 2012 #71

...no but make it harder for them to use a bomb with a truck....go ahead and have as many uponit7771 Jul 2012 #78

LOL LOL LOL you're going to prevent that HOW? Tejas Jul 2012 #87

No, we're a smart nation...we put a man on the moon way before I was born we can also come uponit7771 Jul 2012 #94

Gun Control Act of 1968, moonwalk in 1969, 40yrs of Tejas Jul 2012 #102

Corvettes don't kill? Tejas Jul 2012 #36

You gonna take the position that vett can kill more people than an Accord? uponit7771 Jul 2012 #38

Bodycount matters with you? Tejas Jul 2012 #42

Yes, body count matters...I think that's one of the central arguments to the vette counter uponit7771 Jul 2012 #48

Gotta love you prohibitionists Tejas Jul 2012 #69

...something reasonable no? Is it reasonable for a civy to be more loaded than the security forces uponit7771 Jul 2012 #99

Survey your local LEO on the beat. Tejas Jul 2012 #105

If that Civilian is lawful, there is no problem no matter how heavily armed s/he is. PavePusher Jul 2012 #131

Killing is not their primary purpose. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #107

"Killing is not their primary purpose." EX500rider Jul 2012 #144

Oh right. I forgot that guns were invented to shoot paper targets, Chorophyll Jul 2012 #165

Are we talking about what they were invented for or what they are primarily used for? n/t EX500rider Jul 2012 #167

They're not even used in war, really. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #41

That's what I'm learning, even if they were made reliable security forces wouldn't use them uponit7771 Jul 2012 #55

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #64

Not entirely true... PavePusher Jul 2012 #125

It's Not Just the Multiple Round Clips Iggy Jul 2012 #56

i guess what i'm reading is samsingh Jul 2012 #58

The Answer is ... There Isn't One Vox Moi Jul 2012 #67

+1, that's what it's looking like with those positioning for their legal existance. I haven't uponit7771 Jul 2012 #70

And yet the gunsters will tell you there aint no way any laws will change so give up! DCBob Jul 2012 #83

Personally, I'd like to see mental health evaluation for folks who want more guns. Hook em up to Hoyt Jul 2012 #93

Instead of putting one hole in a deer... Alduin Jul 2012 #98

Military personnel don't generally use magazines of that capacity Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #104

This: PavePusher Jul 2012 #126

You keep spamming that link as though the thing's actually anywhere near common. Posteritatis Jul 2012 #168

Are they used for war? HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #106

This: PavePusher Jul 2012 #127

I own and enjoy shooting (targets) IBEWVET Jul 2012 #110

Romney is wrong vanlandingham Jul 2012 #114

Reloading gives people a chance to stop a shooter JPZenger Jul 2012 #149

I don't think there is one Marrah_G Jul 2012 #124

Military uses these: Tejas Jul 2012 #129

Oooh baby, I want a pair of those for deer hunting. Where can I buy them? JPZenger Jul 2012 #150

Bambi could be well armed. Lint Head Jul 2012 #130

Bambi is smarter too. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #174

"Some of those pesky prairie dog towns have a lot of residents" catbyte Jul 2012 #133

You know, the army nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #139

You do know we tried magazine capacity limits before w/ zero effect on crime right? NT Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #142

Strawman noted, not trying to stop crime with limits on number of rounds... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #164

Then what are you doing? Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #166

Here you go Renew Deal Jul 2012 #151

ALL rifles kill how many in a year in the US? EX500rider Jul 2012 #154

3 gun matches michreject Jul 2012 #160

Because the fucking nra tells you need it for safety gopiscrap Jul 2012 #176