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In reply to the discussion: I am opposed to DHS (TSA, mostly). How can I be in favor of gun control? [View all]TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)absolutely crushing any concept of privacy and being secure in one's possession but is against searches of a far more limited group of people both in the name of public safety.
He is more than smart enough to know he'd nuke unreasonable search to go on the gun grab. Every search would be reasonable, they can always being looking for guns and it is established that is "reasonable" and the TSA shit is exactly the same except we cut and paste in terrorist or make a fun mix of weapons of terror.
I believe both concepts are out of line but I can't possibly see how airplane security makes less sense, at least there you are in a describable unique situation which means the power at least can be limited to the conditions at hand.
To actually want confiscation and verification means you are demanding (yes, demanding) 24/7, 365 police access to your home, vehicle, and of course your person subject to invasive search.
I wish I was an artist, I'd be able to get the point across much easier. There would be several people at Rapscan machines, with sunglass wearing people in various uniforms putting rubber gloves. One person would look at the one next to them and ask "What are you in for?". "Terrorism, and you". "Gun check" the first person replies. A third person chimes in "I'm here for drugs, myself".
It is the same rights being surrendered, only the rationale and rhetoric differ and it is all fear based mental gymnastics from folks claiming to be free people but refusing to accept risk and choices you'd not make which is part and parcel.
I suspect the OP will either back down from the "grabber" mentality to a ban the sale and manufacture of type kat or alternatively reluctantly accept the mission of the TSA (if not the effectiveness) and maybe the broader war on terror bullshit. I don't know the poster personally but from following them for years I'm inclined to say that his "grabber" position is highly ideologically inconsistent to the point of break down when it actually is applied in the real world and they know it, which prompted the post. The more they think about it the more obvious it becomes.
One cannot overcome mutually exclusive. Mutually inclusive also applies.