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TheKentuckian

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22. No, he is at fundamental odds. He'd authorize house to house searches of the general population
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:37 PM
Jul 2012

absolutely crushing any concept of privacy and being secure in one's possession but is against searches of a far more limited group of people both in the name of public safety.

He is more than smart enough to know he'd nuke unreasonable search to go on the gun grab. Every search would be reasonable, they can always being looking for guns and it is established that is "reasonable" and the TSA shit is exactly the same except we cut and paste in terrorist or make a fun mix of weapons of terror.

I believe both concepts are out of line but I can't possibly see how airplane security makes less sense, at least there you are in a describable unique situation which means the power at least can be limited to the conditions at hand.
To actually want confiscation and verification means you are demanding (yes, demanding) 24/7, 365 police access to your home, vehicle, and of course your person subject to invasive search.

I wish I was an artist, I'd be able to get the point across much easier. There would be several people at Rapscan machines, with sunglass wearing people in various uniforms putting rubber gloves. One person would look at the one next to them and ask "What are you in for?". "Terrorism, and you". "Gun check" the first person replies. A third person chimes in "I'm here for drugs, myself".

It is the same rights being surrendered, only the rationale and rhetoric differ and it is all fear based mental gymnastics from folks claiming to be free people but refusing to accept risk and choices you'd not make which is part and parcel.

I suspect the OP will either back down from the "grabber" mentality to a ban the sale and manufacture of type kat or alternatively reluctantly accept the mission of the TSA (if not the effectiveness) and maybe the broader war on terror bullshit. I don't know the poster personally but from following them for years I'm inclined to say that his "grabber" position is highly ideologically inconsistent to the point of break down when it actually is applied in the real world and they know it, which prompted the post. The more they think about it the more obvious it becomes.

One cannot overcome mutually exclusive. Mutually inclusive also applies.

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At least you're honest about the hypocrisy. - nt badtoworse Jul 2012 #1
I look at that this way. I can only carry so many rounds of 3 oz. bottles snappyturtle Jul 2012 #2
yeah, but it's an absurd restriction... it does notng to actually stop determined terrorists. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #32
That's just hypocrisy, nothing more. And I understand it. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #3
Do you or did you have to piss in a jar to get or keep a job? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #4
That is something you want to encourage and perpetuate? TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #6
There doesn't seem to be any social movement against workplace drug testing.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #7
And that's a damn shame. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #11
+1 Go Vols Jul 2012 #31
I'm pretty fiercely against either invasion but the urine being substituted, diluted, or artificial TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #20
So what? HuckleB Jul 2012 #15
From the OP.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #17
Context. HuckleB Jul 2012 #28
My reply was to the OP, not you.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #29
I'm all for airport security frazzled Jul 2012 #5
That's because you travel and don't own (or want to own) guns. Edweird Jul 2012 #8
What's different is the level of actual public safety concern. HuckleB Jul 2012 #14
>Implying DHS/TSA is anything more than police state theatrics. Edweird Jul 2012 #18
So you can't answer. HuckleB Jul 2012 #27
The TSA has no reason. Gun control does - there are reasonable limits. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #9
I concur. Surprised? Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #12
I still think restrictions on clip sizes would go a long way. Nobody needs 100 rounds. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #16
I don't honestly think it would make much difference. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #21
IMO, the higher the limit the more support you will get. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #37
It is a similar them not me attitude that "small government" types have TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #10
There is nothing inherently at odds here. HuckleB Jul 2012 #13
No, he is at fundamental odds. He'd authorize house to house searches of the general population TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #22
Thanks for posting a whole lot of nothing. HuckleB Jul 2012 #24
Please elaborate. I'm not aware of any logical fallacies presented in the post. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #30
Seems there was a underwear bomber and a shoe bomber. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #19
Who cares? HuckleB Jul 2012 #25
Cognitive Dissonance Lasher Jul 2012 #23
There's no dissonance. HuckleB Jul 2012 #26
Well, you can either choose to live with the hypocricy, or not. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #33
Me and the TSA Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #34
You drive a car. You want the other people on the road to know what they are doing. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #35
Generally it's easier to agree to strip others of their rights 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #36
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