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29. I am one of the people saying we are losing the messaging war. That is a very different thing

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 02:07 PM

Jan 2018

from saying we are losing. I really don't think anyone is saying we are losing.

Yes, we are winning elections now. That is because our past failures to counteract the Russian/republican messaging has landed us with the worst president in American history, and SOME people are finally terrified. That has nothing to do with our messaging.

The republicans are better at messaging than we are. For example, the majority of the country still sees them as the party of fiscal responsibility and family values despite at least 20 years of acting against fiscal responsibility and family values. Based on the evidence, people should be in no doubt that Democrats are the ones watching out for their wallets and their families. And yet that is not happening. And that is only one example. WE MUST CHANGE THAT.

There is nothing "suspicious" about my motives when I say that. It is something we need to master or we will have more shithole republicans sullying up the Congress and the White House.

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Don't know who is winning the messaging war but I find the suggestion here we're losing disturbing. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2018 OP

Wrong Message Prue Jan 2018 #1

Your "struggle with the Democrats?" MineralMan Jan 2018 #3

I'm an American first Prue Jan 2018 #4

Just as I thought. MineralMan Jan 2018 #6

This is disappointing Prue Jan 2018 #7

There are plenty of thoughtful contributions here MineralMan Jan 2018 #10

Yeah - how's that working out Prue Jan 2018 #11

Ask again in November. MineralMan Jan 2018 #13

You're the big tent democrat we need so much. rgbecker Jan 2018 #54

You've been here long enough to know that MM is DU's biggest GOTV fan, with 50 years experience Hekate Jan 2018 #134

He Wont Be around MFM008 Jan 2018 #22

it is working out pretty well...consider the Wisconsin seat that was held fo 17 years...and is now a Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #65

For someone who just joined and to make an statement like you did, and ... SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #72

you've been here 6 months and want to lecture the new members? DrDan Jan 2018 #94

I'm a girl Prue Jan 2018 #96

well - I offer some apologies for your welcome - it was unfair DrDan Jan 2018 #97

fixed - sorry - should have been more careful DrDan Jan 2018 #98

I'm not a big fan of purity tests or jumping on low count posters. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2018 #109

I don't think you know Mineral man very well. pangaia Jan 2018 #104

and exactly what difference does that make - it was inconsiderate DrDan Jan 2018 #110

I'm sure they don't know anything about the Free Republic incident for instance. Kentonio Jan 2018 #136

This is kind of funny considering the lectures I have noticed you enjoy posting. Tipperary Jan 2018 #174

Thoughtful DUers don't need right-wing misinformation, Prue, Hortensis Jan 2018 #18

Huh? Prue Jan 2018 #28

Curious Me. Jan 2018 #49

Okay Prue Jan 2018 #50

Pehaps You've Missed The Campaign Of Disinformation That Has Gone On Recently Me. Jan 2018 #51

I came here in good faith Prue Jan 2018 #59

You Say You Came In Good Faith Me. Jan 2018 #63

Sure if I'm a child Prue Jan 2018 #67

The Hilarious Thing About Your POsts Me. Jan 2018 #69

Why not read more about what Democrats believe in? Hortensis Jan 2018 #82

Welcome to DU. Stick around a while, it is a good site emulatorloo Jan 2018 #101

I agree stick around bdamomma Jan 2018 #126

Meh Egnever Jan 2018 #131

Welcome to du. Newbies get grilled and a cost watch because too often they are uppityperson Jan 2018 #70

You are either a Democrat or you are not...not too much ...blah blah. We have those in this party Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #66

"Concern trolling" isn't a hahahaha shrug. ehrnst Jan 2018 #116

Duly Noted Prue Jan 2018 #118

Cheerleader Camp vs Focus Group PdxSean Jan 2018 #160

It's not an insult. You just took a wrong turn. Aristus Jan 2018 #39

I am so confused..... Prue Jan 2018 #43

I want to pop in and say that I think you've been very careful with your words femmedem Jan 2018 #57

BECAUSE RandomAccess Jan 2018 #68

No Thanks Prue Jan 2018 #71

Well I'm sorry to hear that BECAUSE RandomAccess Jan 2018 #74

I second this, and hate the newbie bashing that happens too often uppityperson Jan 2018 #78

Well if you can't handle a bit of push back treestar Jan 2018 #80

Im Sorry RobinA Jan 2018 #88

Youve upset a couple people. Not a big deal. Stick around for a while emulatorloo Jan 2018 #102

IMHO, in order to defeat Trump we need both the center right and the center left on out. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2018 #112

I agree with this. SO MUCH! True Dough Jan 2018 #177

Why do you think you need to have an adminstrator "delete your account?" ehrnst Jan 2018 #120

Good advice, he will not take. The poster's here to stir things up, he's "a registered Independent". marble falls Jan 2018 #142

Or kcr Jan 2018 #107

Perhaps you are unclear on what a site named "Democratic Underground" is about ehrnst Jan 2018 #121

You can click "alert abuse" at the bottom of any post on this site to see the list of rules.... George II Jan 2018 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #148

Trump created the mess and lied repeatedly...most folks don't arrive and immediately Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #64

MineralMan is not an admin here Kentonio Jan 2018 #135

It is a bad look... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2018 #12

Terrible Optics is just the beginning Prue Jan 2018 #14

No one dreamed Hillary would not win and Trump would treestar Jan 2018 #81

Rounding them up now after they voluntarily registered... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2018 #87

That's true, it's that Shitler's base treestar Jan 2018 #90

Actually, Nate Silver tried to warn us. PdxSean Jan 2018 #157

Did he specifically say to campaign more in treestar Jan 2018 #159

So an echo chamber is what we need? fallout87 Jan 2018 #21

Brainstorming is fine treestar Jan 2018 #24

This new poster has a very good point to make. The republicans ability to frame the message better Squinch Jan 2018 #26

Agreed! peggysue2 Jan 2018 #44

This is what I have been trying to say, but you said it better! Squinch Jan 2018 #47

great post bdamomma Jan 2018 #128

Agreed Squinch. Welcome zentrum Jan 2018 #60

Not true. But how does some random message thought up by a helpful critic treestar Jan 2018 #83

We are talking about two different things here. You are discussing what needs to be said. Squinch Jan 2018 #95

I've come late to this thread hueymahl Jan 2018 #176

Why are you even here? We support Democrats. 'past' mistakes...sure. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #62

Do you vote for Democrats? Because that's really what determines your ehrnst Jan 2018 #115

Answer Prue Jan 2018 #117

hahahaha. ehrnst Jan 2018 #119

All you need to do to deactivate your account is to stop your posting. Maybe one day you'll see... marble falls Jan 2018 #143

Why are they not doing it your way, then? treestar Jan 2018 #8

I appreciate the nomination Prue Jan 2018 #16

Well we can't decide for them treestar Jan 2018 #19

Well.....I am temporarily out of work Prue Jan 2018 #25

We are a tough crowd, Prue Generic Other Jan 2018 #30

Tough crowd indeed Prue Jan 2018 #36

You were not attacked. You seem to treestar Jan 2018 #85

Seemed like an attack to me. Kentonio Jan 2018 #137

You and others absolutely attacked her. femmedem Jan 2018 #141

I did not attack; I disagreed treestar Jan 2018 #149

Nothing wrong with the way you just phrased it to me. femmedem Jan 2018 #156

Maybe, though that is the essence of what people are saying treestar Jan 2018 #158

A little tact and diplomacy would go a long way True Dough Jan 2018 #178

Thank you so much. femmedem Jan 2018 #179

you are correct. Prue wasn't simply attacked. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #167

If this happened to me, I would certainly feel as if I was attacked and not wanted. Fla Dem Jan 2018 #170

hahahaha, Attack? ehrnst Jan 2018 #122

If you believe an idea... tonedevil Jan 2018 #46

Irrelevant treestar Jan 2018 #79

I agree, you make good points. dottie66 Jan 2018 #9

I agree to a degree Hav Jan 2018 #34

Overwhelming majority of Americans want DACA. delisen Jan 2018 #38

And given that, how can the messaging be so bad? treestar Jan 2018 #84

I think so. delisen Jan 2018 #89

I disagree with you premise thbobby Jan 2018 #52

Many good Democrats zentrum Jan 2018 #56

I completely disagree. I don't think the 'honor' message would resonate. I think people don't Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #61

What's with the far right talking points rockfordfile Jan 2018 #73

2nd amendment voters are terrified of a national gun owners registery questionseverything Jan 2018 #77

Some members are giving you a hard time because you didn't aikoaiko Jan 2018 #103

Not no criticism, but it has been tiring with the Bernie fiasco treestar Jan 2018 #152

You use "they" and "their" a lot when talking about Democrats. johnp3907 Jan 2018 #108

I was referring to the Leaders Prue Jan 2018 #111

So you think that Democratic leaders are the problem? ehrnst Jan 2018 #123

poor messaging, obviously (not to put words into that posters mouth) DrDan Jan 2018 #133

In what way? Examples, please. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #144

examples of what - poor messaging or leader criticism? DrDan Jan 2018 #145

here's one example DrDan Jan 2018 #146

I was asking for examples of poor leadership ehrnst Jan 2018 #147

I don't see how the leaders did such a poor job here treestar Jan 2018 #153

Welcome to DU! OhioBlue Jan 2018 #132

In an effort to redeem myself. Prue Jan 2018 #163

I hope you find someplace intellectually engaging and progressive. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #168

I am truly sorry about the reception you received. femmedem Jan 2018 #171

people equate that to political correctness? Skittles Jan 2018 #173

I find it suspicious. I don't believe all pushing it are foolish. Hortensis Jan 2018 #2

Determining the winner is beyond my ken. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2018 #5

A large swath of the country believed Hillary was running a pedophile ring out of a pizza Squinch Jan 2018 #32

I can't even believe that this is controversial. It used to pretty much be the consensus here. Crunchy Frog Jan 2018 #42

I think some people are thinking we are saying that Dems are losing, which HAS been Squinch Jan 2018 #45

Hortensis, look at what you are saying: conservative forces are waging huge disinformation Squinch Jan 2018 #27

Don't know about anyone else, but I look at results. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #15

I am one of the people saying we are losing the messaging war. That is a very different thing Squinch Jan 2018 #29

Exactly correct Orrex Jan 2018 #33

Oh, God! Don't get me started on their "pro-life" bullshit. I work with disabled children. Squinch Jan 2018 #35

Regarding the bumper stickers Orrex Jan 2018 #37

I do get that. I did the math in my head and calculated that countering their message was Squinch Jan 2018 #41

I have a protest sign that says, "Ted Cruz Hates Babies" LeftInTX Jan 2018 #175

Why is that the Democrats' fault rather than the media treestar Jan 2018 #86

I never said it was the Democrats' fault. It's no one's fault. It is simply a fact. Squinch Jan 2018 #93

People have been saying this for years treestar Jan 2018 #150

Oy. OK. We still win a lot of elections. Nothing can be improved. There is nothing about that Squinch Jan 2018 #165

How did the Dems let the Republicans get away with treestar Jan 2018 #166

I know I'm late to the party but I saw this today and thought I'd share.... chowder66 Jan 2018 #172

Do you remember the old Phoenix61 Jan 2018 #17

Maybe we could encourage people to use thinking more than feelings treestar Jan 2018 #20

It's more a tendency of human nature Phoenix61 Jan 2018 #23

Realistically though the vast majority of people are almost completely politically disconnected Kentonio Jan 2018 #139

Actually, feelings are dependable and necessary. What they are is primative. Caliman73 Jan 2018 #169

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #31

You're Talking Hate But This POst Strikes Me As Completely Negative Me. Jan 2018 #53

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #40

There is a disturbing penchant to blame and denigrate Dems mcar Jan 2018 #48

Another name for concern. Hortensis Jan 2018 #91

Again? Jersey Devil Jan 2018 #55

I don't think we are losing...same old same old...a way to attack Democrats who never do anything Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #58

Do you believe that republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility? Do you believe they are the Squinch Jan 2018 #100

If it is not the message than it is something else. We don't have a TV station geared to our party.. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #127

This is ridiculous and childish. You are tired of other things so you are going to lash out at Squinch Jan 2018 #130

You posted to me. I am not lashing out period...merely stating my opinion for what is going on in Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #140

You are still missing the point entirely. This has nothing to do with fighting our elected Squinch Jan 2018 #164

You are right, and then the complaints about the corporate donors too treestar Jan 2018 #154

All the time...the corporate donors were chased off... and it has hurt us. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #161

I heard one of the political pundits say that "shutdown blame" seldom lingers dawg day Jan 2018 #75

Republicans are alway better at messaging because they have major propaganda outlets. Kablooie Jan 2018 #76

Everyone keeps saying this as if it is the last word. It isn't. Yes, they own the Squinch Jan 2018 #99

There is organized social media treestar Jan 2018 #155

Trump is right, the President gets blamed. Meanwhile .... some truth in politics from L. Coyote Jan 2018 #92

we arent losing. Its more than just Daca..its the fact they cant even come up... samnsara Jan 2018 #105

Everyone should have their say, it is only going to get worse Motley13 Jan 2018 #106

Democrats need to stay on task Turbineguy Jan 2018 #113

Look out for comments bashing democrats for shutdown drowefnp Jan 2018 #114

Putin's all star repuglinazi trolls are working OT. rec, Nt Mc Mike Jan 2018 #124

If the "message war" is going to decide important issues we are truely lost randr Jan 2018 #129

What do you feel has the most effective message? oberliner Jan 2018 #138

propaganda is always used to keep country divided. In the end, who "compromises" first one to blink beachbum bob Jan 2018 #151

According to my Saturday morning coffee group...... Kilgore Jan 2018 #162