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Vinca

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75. In this particular instance, Dems were in a lose-lose situation.

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:07 PM

Jan 2018

Republicans, unexpectedly, put out a valid message about Dems supporting everything in the bill, but voting against it anyway. That's what was selling well. The 6 year CHIP extension is a BFD and there's a promise of a vote on DACA. If that vote doesn't come to pass, there will be another chance to shut it down on the horizon.

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The Dems will get curb stomped until November if they back down. [View all] LuckyCharms Jan 2018 OP

Dems will win if everyone shows up at the polls... renegade000 Jan 2018 #1

Agree. but they will do terrible damage between now LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #2

True Cary Jan 2018 #3

Mistake made by so many in 2016. They cheered, rallied, donated & Wwcd Jan 2018 #42

Yep, what we need is every man and woman in this country to realize their LIVES Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #55

They have missed the whole point with talk like that. Wwcd Jan 2018 #68

We cannot count on radicals to be anything but radical Cary Jan 2018 #69

We have the numbers. pressbox69 Jan 2018 #4

Our numbers can beat their lies Cary Jan 2018 #70

Eyes on the prize moose65 Jan 2018 #76

Democrats are in Minority. What they've done here is raise DACA to top of mind for everyone. If Justice Jan 2018 #5

And the GOP will get what they want anyway. n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #6

They won in 16. Elections have consequences...we had all those who whined about emails...Stein. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #11

I'm not blaming. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #17

How else will the shutdown end? Do you really believe the GOP will simple give us everything we Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #44

No, but what does work several million people throwing LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #46

+ a million. This exactly describes the problem of 2016 Wwcd Jan 2018 #47

In 2017, not one Dem amendment was allowed a vote in the Senate. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #7

What makes you think they will cave? They will simply paint us as the bad guys with some help Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #9

Who cares if they paint us as bad guys? LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #16

I don't disagree with you...what I am saying is it may not work...no matter what we do. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #45

My opinion is that it will work if the Dems stand strong... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #50

Yes. McConnell said he "intends" to address DACA. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #19

Yeah I disagree...you have to face facts...we may not win this battle as we don't have the house, Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #8

You seem to think I am bashing Democrats. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #14

People have a pretty big misunderstanding of the moment Cosmocat Jan 2018 #31

Daca rso Jan 2018 #10

That seems right, but... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #18

curb stomped, for those that dont know mopinko Jan 2018 #12

Yes. My entire opinion here is based on LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #20

its not about winning, a shutdown is about negotiations, certainly its not about "stopping" the GOP beachbum bob Jan 2018 #13

I'm very calm. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #15

If you are saying Democrats will hold their 'feet to the fire' and not vote...I say you are wrong. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #21

Well, either I lack reading comprehension or you LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #22

Blaming Democrats for things the GOP does...make other less likely to vote... and hurt Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #25

You're reading things into my OP that are not there. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #27

No shit workinclasszero Jan 2018 #58

Nobody attacked anybody. n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #62

"The Dems will get curb stomped until November if they back down" workinclasszero Jan 2018 #64

Next time I'll make sure to present all possible sides of my argument LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #65

They have the power....we are trying. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #23

OK. Have a nice day. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #24

You too. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #26

Thanks. n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #28

No, they won't and further Cosmocat Jan 2018 #29

The DACA can has been kicked down the road. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #30

Look - republicans are raging assholes Cosmocat Jan 2018 #35

Really? The difference in our opinions is that I believe that this can force their hands, LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #39

That is what I am hoping for too...I hope to God you are right...My blood runs cold when I think of Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #54

Because I live in reality Cosmocat Jan 2018 #66

Yes, I see. I still have the same opinion. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #67

It is my opinion that those of us that can need to take DACA kids into our homes and hide them much Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #49

I would take in a dreamer without a second thought. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #52

That is a good point. I would take Dreamers too. I don't know if Dems will hold or not...the Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #56

Unfortunately, it does not look like they will hold firm. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #61

According to Dana Bash, Dems are close to agreeing OliverQ Jan 2018 #32

I agree. Republicans have to be forced against a wall and not released... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #34

I agree,more "if we play nicey nice so will Republicans"........... Bengus81 Jan 2018 #41

Yep. I was just sitting here wondering what bullshit excuse... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #43

They'll compromise for CHIP and a promise to vote on immigration by Feb 8. sfwriter Jan 2018 #33

Spot on. If they give in... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #36

T H I S ... Please people read THIS post Cosmocat Jan 2018 #37

I'm starting to think that Democrats miscalculated; this shutdown will hurt us more than GOP'ers member12 Jan 2018 #38

Human nature being what it is... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #40

I know we are on the same side...and I don't disagree that backing down could harm our chances Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #53

I see it ending well for Dems if they stand their ground. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #59

What did we stop exactly? member12 Jan 2018 #73

Nothing, now. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #77

No.Thanks for the input...oh and welcome to DU for real. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #51

dems know the sacrifice and we are willing to make it samnsara Jan 2018 #48

Republicans didn't give a SHIT about the Military being shut down for 17 days in 2013 Bengus81 Jan 2018 #57

Exactly. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #60

So do I MFM008 Jan 2018 #63

I wasn't happy when I heard Schumer put the wall on the table. Runningdawg Jan 2018 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Bengus81 Jan 2018 #72

I doubt it Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2018 #74

In this particular instance, Dems were in a lose-lose situation. Vinca Jan 2018 #75