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Luminous Animal

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42. These are new rules implemented under the Obama admin Why can't you admit that
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:46 PM
Jul 2012

Everyone from Scotusblog, to Lawfare, to the NY Times, to Greenwald knows this. Everyone.

The lawyer may have only mentioned the 2004 MOU in his email but he also mentions the 2008 MOU in his lawsuit and specifically requests that the conditions of Judge Hogan's 2008 MOU continue (see bolded below).

You can read the petition here: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8BlTSlGHQIgJ:www.lawfareblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Motion-re-Protective-Order-Esmail-July-9-2012-ALL-AS-FILED.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShqpZ6XBUUhx1Cr6sP4dPswaLAXOeWnJA6ryeNjpGJWCcnpyiwc4P7TZ-ayFkjX0hHsAv5107fpxSlh5drv0qL9Kj88sExBXtsx4W5ISv2YaEvJXPFKHCkf3ughbkFIPsCcG6jA&sig=AHIEtbTBprInuuoLjiTPQB5d6lncCdE8eQ

The undersigned represent numerous Guantánamo detainees. For nearly eight years,

their access to and communications with their clients have been governed by two protective

orders—first, by an order issued by Judge Joyce Hens Green in November 2004, and second,

by a similar order issued by Judge Thomas F. Hogan on September 11, 2008 (“Protective

Order”).

On April 8, 2010, Judge Henry H. Kennedy denied the petition for habeas corpus of

our client Yasein Khasem Mohammad Esmail (ISN 522). Abdah v. Obama, 709 F. Supp. 2d

Case 1:04-cv-01254-RCL Document 1001 Filed 07/09/12 Page 2 of 10

25 (D.D.C. 2010). On April 8, 2011, the D.C. Circuit affirmed the denial. Esmail v. Obama,

639 F.3d 1075 (D.C. Cir. 2011). Counsel last met with Esmail, under the Protective Order, on

July 21, 2011.

When counsel most recently sought to meet with Esmail, in May 2012, the

Government took the position that Esmail no longer had the right to meet with counsel, on the

asserted ground that his habeas case had been “terminated.” The Government took the

position that counsel may not visit Esmail unless counsel signed a Memorandum of

Understanding (“MOU”). The MOU would replace the system of access to counsel provided

by Judge Hogan’s Protective Order, which is subject to judicial supervision, with a system

purporting to give the Commander, Joint Task Force–Guantanamo (“JTF”), absolute,

unreviewable control over such access. Rather than accede, counsel refused to sign the MOU

and, accordingly, were not permitted to meet with Esmail.

This motion seeks a ruling that Judge Hogan’s Protective Order continues to apply to

Esmail, that the Government may not condition Esmail’s access to counsel on counsel’s

submission to the new MOU, and that the Government’s refusal to permit Esmail to have

access to counsel under Judge Hogan’s Protective Order is a violation of that Order.


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The Obama-Gitmo myth [View all] MadHound Jul 2012 OP
Greenwald. LOL... SidDithers Jul 2012 #1
Can you factually refute anything he says? MadHound Jul 2012 #2
Greenwald didn't land the new gig by criticizing Republicans... SidDithers Jul 2012 #3
Again, can you factually refute anything that he said in this piece? MadHound Jul 2012 #4
Dithers likes to pretend that Greenwald is a Ron Paul supporter. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #6
Well, no Greenwald thread would be complete without your vigorous defense of him...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #7
I'm still waiting on a factual rebuttal to Greenwald's article MadHound Jul 2012 #8
Don't wait too long, 'cause it ain't comin'... SidDithers Jul 2012 #9
Well thanks for admitting that you can't factually refute the article MadHound Jul 2012 #10
Not that I cant, but that I won't... SidDithers Jul 2012 #11
Why waste ones grey matter on discussion when propagenda is so much easier. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #12
No Bain, no Citizen's United....last week poor Glenn was reduced to a tantrum about Harold Ford. msanthrope Jul 2012 #20
Have you ever read anything written by this right wing Canadian that consists of Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #15
... SidDithers Jul 2012 #16
Exhibit 'A' n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #18
Tell your girlfriend I was here way before OMC...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #26
NO, NO, NO! DON'T TELL ME ANYTHING I DON'T WANT TO HEAR </SNARK> N/T markpkessinger Jul 2012 #35
The Guardian is owned by its employees - a model of democracy in action. Octafish Jul 2012 #27
I thought it was owned by The Scott Trust Company...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #29
Thanks for the correction, siddithers! Sorry, my mistake. Octafish Jul 2012 #30
The point of the article... Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #5
Very disappointing. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #13
Um--according to the documents provided, these are rules stemming from a 2008 Bush-era protective msanthrope Jul 2012 #22
According to the article... these are new rules on top of old rules. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #31
No...they aren't new rules. They are the rules for a post-habeas detainee, issued in 2008, msanthrope Jul 2012 #33
So, I guess thanks to Obama for enforcing Bush's disgusting rules? Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #34
Did you miss the part where this came from a court? As in the judiciary? msanthrope Jul 2012 #36
I am familiar with the MOU. What you are ignoring is that this is a new MOU which the Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #39
Your source talks about the 2004 protective order--then the 2008 one. And your legal cites are msanthrope Jul 2012 #40
These are new rules implemented under the Obama admin Why can't you admit that Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #42
Thank you for finally agreeing with me! This is about the 9/08 order then? nt msanthrope Jul 2012 #43
No it is not. And I am not agreeing with you. Did you even read the petition? Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #44
"Judge Hogan's Protective Order"--direct quote from YOU, is the 2008 protective order msanthrope Jul 2012 #46
"The MOU would replace the system of access to counsel provided by Judge Hogan’s Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #47
Again...tell me how the new MOU violates that order. msanthrope Jul 2012 #48
Today a judge agreed with the defense Attorney.... Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #49
Kick! Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #14
In the face of political expediency, common decency and justice are left behind. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #17
"Senate Votes 90-6 To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure." msanthrope Jul 2012 #19
He actually did mention that. Then, accurately points out that Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #21
Where does Greenwald mention the 90-6 vote??? As for inmates getting a 'fair trial,' kindly be msanthrope Jul 2012 #24
Only because Obama wanted to thread the needle and effectively relocate TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #23
Would you kindly cite your legal assertion as to the authority of the President? msanthrope Jul 2012 #25
Guantanamo Bay: Still Open, Despite Promises HiPointDem Jul 2012 #28
"Too difficult to prosecute; too dangerous to release". Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #32
Are you sure you don't fall in that category? Dragonfli Jul 2012 #37
+1 n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #38
This kind of article is very important in an election year. Robb Jul 2012 #41
So you're essentially saying that we should ignore human suffering that the US is causing, MadHound Jul 2012 #45
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