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jberryhill

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4. Uhm, no, 16 is not the minimum number
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 07:54 PM
Jan 2018

You don't have to fire 16 bullets for 16 people in a crowded space to be shot - or more generally "wounded" in some way from not being shot, but from the ensuing panic.

Bullets are hard. People are soft. That's why it's important for shooters to know what is behind their target.

If you fire the right type of round into a person in a crowd, it is going to go through that person, and into other people. Hollow points, not so much. Some ammunition is designed to go through things. Some ammunition is designed to expand and create maximum injury and momentum transfer.

But could you quote a news source saying that 16 people were shot, specifically?

I see reports like this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-dead-after-shooting-kentucky-high-school-multiple-victims-reported-n840171

Two students were killed Tuesday and 18 other people were wounded when a 15-year-old boy armed with a handgun opened fire inside a Kentucky high school, authorities said.


That is 20 casualties, 2 fatal. But it doesn't state that the 18 other people were shot, either.

You can fire a gun in a crowded space and get a fair number of injuries, and not actually shoot anyone. I doubt any of the reporters were counting shell casings. If 20 people were taken to hospitals, that does not distinguish between people injured FROM BEING SHOT, versus people being injured from a human stampede, trips and falls, etc..

So if there is a source that says "X people were shot", based on actual knowledge of that fact, instead of, say, a news blog that assumes X injuries means X shots fired, that would be of interest.

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Where did you get the part about "16 bullets"? jberryhill Jan 2018 #1
16 people were shot and of those 2 died. Yes, obviously, 16 is the minimum number. pnwmom Jan 2018 #3
Uhm, no, 16 is not the minimum number jberryhill Jan 2018 #4
Here's one: pnwmom Jan 2018 #6
From your link: moriah Jan 2018 #7
Thanks, moriah! pnwmom Jan 2018 #8
but, if you are assuming 16 shots fired... jberryhill Jan 2018 #5
That's the kind of answer I was looking for. So when they say a handgun was used, pnwmom Jan 2018 #9
Or multiple magazines. Edit: apparently not. moriah Jan 2018 #10
Most handguns at this point are probably semi-automatics jberryhill Jan 2018 #11
I don't think semi-automatic or modern service weapon. I think of my uncle's old pistols, pnwmom Jan 2018 #12
semi-auto pistols are not "modern" jberryhill Jan 2018 #13
They are for personal use. If more people understand what a handgun can do pnwmom Jan 2018 #14
A lot of guys came back from WWI and WWII with one for "personal use" thereafter jberryhill Jan 2018 #15
The uncle I had from WW2 just had an ordinary pistol. I never saw a service weapon, I guess. pnwmom Jan 2018 #16
They have been common retail items for decades jberryhill Jan 2018 #17
I don't go to Cabela's (whatever that is) or Walmart and I don't see guns in any of the pnwmom Jan 2018 #18
Cabela's is a sporting goods chain jberryhill Jan 2018 #20
The point is I think there are many more like me, non-gun owners who have no idea what's pnwmom Jan 2018 #21
No argument there jberryhill Jan 2018 #22
Thanks, jberryhill! You had already basically answered my questions, but it is nice pnwmom Jan 2018 #23
Okay, but I was kidding about blackjack at the Tulalip casino jberryhill Jan 2018 #24
Hah! Well, that must have been a pleasant memory to take back pnwmom Jan 2018 #25
Weird thing about that jberryhill Jan 2018 #28
Do you usually come here in the summer? In July and August we only get .5 inch of rain. pnwmom Jan 2018 #30
Yeah, I don't think I've ever been there in cold weather jberryhill Jan 2018 #33
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Thank you. I had no idea what engineering marvels these things are. pnwmom Jan 2018 #27
As much a marvel as a PEZ dispenser really jberryhill Jan 2018 #29
LOL. Hey, they ARE engineering marvels. pnwmom Jan 2018 #31
Well the problem with PEZ.... jberryhill Jan 2018 #32
Nope, I never saw those either. pnwmom Jan 2018 #34
Not that it matters, as handguns can helmedon1974 Jan 2018 #35
Thanks for the info! pnwmom Jan 2018 #36
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