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191. They sound intelligent and write well

Thu Jan 25, 2018, 03:44 PM

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She's also right, it's difficult to break in here. It's mostly due to the prevalence of trolls I'm sure, one needs to earn some level of trust before being too thought provoking.

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Here is the final post by Prue who left DU her first day after being flamed and accused. [View all] femmedem Jan 2018 OP

One question. Did Prue not read that name of the site? Democratic Underground? It is 100% Lint Head Jan 2018 #1

It isn't actually just for Democrats, but rather to advance Democratic candidates femmedem Jan 2018 #9

It is not just to advance Democratic candidates. It was started Lint Head Jan 2018 #19

I serve on my local Democratic Town Committee, have been a campaign manager femmedem Jan 2018 #47

Excellent. We need to run for office. I have been asked to Lint Head Jan 2018 #121

Very well put Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #26

I did not feel she was here to be convinced...just to sow the seeds of division...we need to be Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #53

Completely disagree Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #152

Sorry in the age of Trump if you are unaffiliated then you are a Trumpian or Stein bot. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #205

Sorry I don't believe in painting with such a broad brush Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #209

Which do you consider Bernie? nt Atticus Jan 2018 #226

We are not talking about those who ran...but about those voted for in 16. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #228

I missed it, convinced? What did anyone need to be convinced to do, vote for Democrats? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #201

Exactly she presented herself as unafiliated with either party and started lecturing us on what Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #204

No rational person will have to be convinced to vote for any democrat. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #206

Actually, her post was telling Democrats what we are doing wrong. Caliman73 Jan 2018 #154

Please, this is some serious shit that the country is currently in maxrandb Jan 2018 #187

So fight blindly without any strategy? Just fight wild and hard ... right? Caliman73 Jan 2018 #225

First of all, we made no promises to Dreamers other than we would do our best. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #52

Here's my problem with this argument RandomAccess Jan 2018 #160

I don't know how common this is here, but I have knocked a lot of doors for political candidates. femmedem Jan 2018 #213

We're not actually disagreeing RandomAccess Jan 2018 #215

I wasnt part of the thread, so I kinda say this is a place where u have to be ready to debate... FreepFryer Jan 2018 #2

LOL-- i remember that from the old Compuserve forums dawg day Jan 2018 #34

I don't see this as Goodbye Cruel DU so much as taking the time to hold a mirror up femmedem Jan 2018 #54

How I took it... some of Prue's points were spot on btw. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #89

Sorry, that seems like a very thin skinned person dhol82 Jan 2018 #3

Here is a link to her first post. The rest follow. pnwmom Jan 2018 #6

I agree with the message in her post and posted the same ideas earlier today. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #17

Exactly. I feel strongly about this, too. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #20

exactly bdamomma Jan 2018 #128

I remembered it pretty well...full of shit and came here to cause division. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #55

What gets to me is the 3rd person references GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #166

when she was referring to "they" and "them" she was referring to the party leaders DrDan Jan 2018 #167

Sorry, just saw the link. Will com back after I have read the issue. dhol82 Jan 2018 #7

Wait. She lays out a case for her reasoning and gets jumped all over Egnever Jan 2018 #12

bingo - several long-timers got their ire up and rather than debate in an adult manner, DrDan Jan 2018 #72

Spot on. cwydro Jan 2018 #101

there sure is DrDan Jan 2018 #106

Yes they came on very strong about the messaging treestar Jan 2018 #63

It seems a shame that a person who is open about being an Independent pnwmom Jan 2018 #4

Yes, plus she offered an original thought. femmedem Jan 2018 #11

Hear, hear. F. Kafka Jan 2018 #14

Guys are we going to fall for the same bullshit we fell for in 16. She was mostly full Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #56

absolutely - we used to be much more open toward ideas - now. to some, an idea is only worth DrDan Jan 2018 #68

I really appreciated the way you stood up for her, then and in several threads since. n/t femmedem Jan 2018 #74

I was pretty shocked with her "welcome" DrDan Jan 2018 #79

true that bdamomma Jan 2018 #129

LOL this is not an echo chamber treestar Jan 2018 #70

I don't think you mean this to be funny. Squinch Jan 2018 #81

LOL. In many ways this IS an echo chamber hueymahl Jan 2018 #178

No, people do it all the time treestar Jan 2018 #196

+1. nt tblue37 Jan 2018 #119

Yes. This. eom Tipperary Jan 2018 #124

Appealing to people's sympathies is GOOD framing dawg day Jan 2018 #35

For US it is. That doesn't mean it is the only effective framing or that an appeal to "honor" pnwmom Jan 2018 #38

That would be a lie treestar Jan 2018 #71

It has nothing to do with individual presidents Kentonio Jan 2018 #140

There is no obligation to the Dreamers treestar Jan 2018 #197

There is an obligation from a country that claims to care about human rights and decency Kentonio Jan 2018 #221

I agree but would not call it an obligation, quite treestar Jan 2018 #227

It's great framing for us. This is my favorite TED talk and it describes why it doesn't work for all femmedem Jan 2018 #51

And working! Most people supported it! treestar Jan 2018 #67

It does for MOST. But why not ADD the perfectly true framing that the DACA young people pnwmom Jan 2018 #184

They had no way to treestar Jan 2018 #195

You don't remember the publicity at the time. We DID tell them that their information pnwmom Jan 2018 #198

Then we were dishonest treestar Jan 2018 #208

But that about DACA is obviously wrong treestar Jan 2018 #64

Nicely put. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2018 #175

I Take Exception To Her Notion Me. Jan 2018 #5

"Barge in without a whiff of diplomacy"? Sheesh Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #28

Utter Nonsense Me. Jan 2018 #88

Meh. Classic GBCW. DarthDem Jan 2018 #8

+1 (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #10

Im giving you only one chance to do what I tell you or Im leaving. :-) msongs Jan 2018 #15

Or, in this case, I gave you a chance and now Im taking my marbles and going home. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #16

Actually, she brought up a good point and instead of discussing what she brought up womanofthehills Jan 2018 #37

But this is the Internet! That never happens! (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #49

It was not a good point; it was ridiculous treestar Jan 2018 #69

Seriously...is that all it takes for you to tuck tail and run then good luck in the world. n/t Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #22

I wouldn't call it tucking tail. I'd say she didn't find the discourse productive or enjoyable. n/t femmedem Jan 2018 #50

I agree. It seems to me that she continued to be respectful and tried to stay on track. Tipperary Jan 2018 #66

You might feel that way, until it happens to you. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #73

Well it has happened to me actually. I didn't make a bring drama stink of leaving. I just Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #93

Her comment about messaging...was she wrong? n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #94

I'm not even talking about her post...just the drama surrounding the exit. nt Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #96

The above post reads to you as "dramatic"? nt shanny Jan 2018 #155

Exactly. treestar Jan 2018 #65

It's a Shame Leith Jan 2018 #13

It is interesting what you say - that you lurked for a year then finally began posting. PatrickforO Jan 2018 #25

+1 bdamomma Jan 2018 #131

Yes. I agree. There's something missing about a person who marybourg Jan 2018 #32

You're conflating two seperate things. Kentonio Jan 2018 #142

Well said. nt shanny Jan 2018 #156

Cry me a river... GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #18

How typical of this place recently. Kentonio Jan 2018 #143

Please note I did not respond to Prue. Although I read the thread GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #161

You shouldn't have a hard time if you're not 'all in'. Kentonio Jan 2018 #220

I know what you mean. MarvinGardens Jan 2018 #171

In the real world no one considers me a moderate GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #174

Meh. You can only go down the Lets Criticize Democrats R B Garr Jan 2018 #21

What does "independent" mean anyway? dawg day Jan 2018 #36

LOL, I enjoyed your post. I agree about questioning "independent". R B Garr Jan 2018 #145

Well, 'bye - - - Sam McGee Jan 2018 #23

Her post was spot-on and well stated. Atman Jan 2018 #24

The Democrats have a serious problem with those who fall for the divisive bullshit from folks Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #76

This! mcar Jan 2018 #97

Exactly! Time to pull together and beat the GOP...thus far our Dem leaders are doing just fine. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #109

I think so too bdamomma Jan 2018 #135

I agree completely. We need to vote period and accept that we won't all agree 100%. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #207

It's hard to message when your platforms for messaging are limited. haele Jan 2018 #173

its easy to cause an accidental shitstorm when you're new... one false move and your goose is cooked TalenaGor Jan 2018 #27

A spelling error! Oh dear.. Cha Jan 2018 #30

I had to escape from that too.... LeftInTX Jan 2018 #45

Oh that was Baaaad! greenwald Cha Jan 2018 #46

The head of a university English Dept. I know is that school's Linguistics professor. TheBlackAdder Jan 2018 #39

I try to use proper grammar and spelling tavernier Jan 2018 #59

Most do, but things do slip through the cracks. TheBlackAdder Jan 2018 #105

I am dyslexic and fix multiple spelling errors...saying why would just cause more spelling errors Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #77

DU wasn't for her if she left that quick JI7 Jan 2018 #29

Damn shame. cwydro Jan 2018 #31

I'm really going to miss her and her 26 posts...nt SidDithers Jan 2018 #33

You are hilarious...haha. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #78

... mcar Jan 2018 #98

"core democrat supporters"? ucrdem Jan 2018 #40

Good advice. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #80

Personally I find it rather amusing... quickesst Jan 2018 #41

I remember that thread Hav Jan 2018 #42

Well.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #43

I hope she comes back LeftInTX Jan 2018 #44

Running off allies is a winning Democratic strategy Arazi Jan 2018 #48

While 99% Of The Time, I Share Your Concern About That. . . ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #85

Meh. DU can be forgiven for being suspicious of preachy first-timers Orrex Jan 2018 #57

Preaching standard anti-Democratic messages on DU is our problem. Hortensis Jan 2018 #75

Then whining about echo chambers and bullying when there is push-back against anti-Dem messages. betsuni Jan 2018 #194

GBCW NCTraveler Jan 2018 #58

I lurked for years on DU...I was working full time with kids not much time...got my news from DU. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #82

Nice post, Republican. GTFO Orrex Jan 2018 #170

Yes Miss Prue, your advice works both ways. Wwcd Jan 2018 #60

Surely you realize how trolled this site is and thus the hypersensitivity you appeared to have hlthe2b Jan 2018 #61

Exactly. Try Yahoo comment section for reaffirmation as to how antagonism is met Wwcd Jan 2018 #90

this new poster was treated very unfairly (imo) by a couple of long-time DUers DrDan Jan 2018 #62

Two words...support Democrats. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #84

. DrDan Jan 2018 #87

Why does your account have to be deactivated? If you stop posting, it'll deactivate anyway. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #185

she was new to DU - didn't know the ins-n-outs - plus her frustration level was DrDan Jan 2018 #186

That's why people lurk so long before they jump in with instructions on "messaging". But my... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #188

that was her post as to how she voted - that's why the source was also provided - sorry for DrDan Jan 2018 #189

IOW, just another garden variety GBCW from some anonymous internet troll. Pfft. No big loss. nt Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #190

who needs Dem votes . . . DrDan Jan 2018 #192

I have mine. Your pride is up to you. The poster in question was just rehashing the themes of '16, Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #193

Agreed. CanSocDem Jan 2018 #110

Yep. Too many seem to think "Democratic"--as in what the party says/stands for-- shanny Jan 2018 #158

Yup, it was depressing yet completely unsurprising. Kentonio Jan 2018 #146

focus on woman's health instead of politics in "DC MEETINGS" helps more people who need help NOW, Sunlei Jan 2018 #83

That is a great point. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #86

Broaden Democrats reach tazkcmo Jan 2018 #91

+ a million. I seriously doubt Prue was even an Independant as she stated. Wwcd Jan 2018 #95

Ah right, so we won 70% of the vote in the last election did we? Kentonio Jan 2018 #147

No tazkcmo Jan 2018 #203

And 10 is greater than 5 Kentonio Jan 2018 #222

Can you even believe this shit? It's clear that half of these people never even read the Squinch Jan 2018 #212

Agreed. Kentonio Jan 2018 #223

Yes. It seems that some simply follow what they see others say and happily join the pile on. Tipperary Jan 2018 #224

Did you read what she said? Because she said the opposite of what you seem to think she said. Squinch Jan 2018 #211

I'm sorry but reaching out to Trump supporters or Republicans is a waste of time. alarimer Jan 2018 #92

She didn't advocate for changing our platform, only how we discuss our platform to conservatives. femmedem Jan 2018 #99

but reaching out to the middle-of-the road independents is not a waste of time DrDan Jan 2018 #102

Yes. alarimer Jan 2018 #136

who cares if they are fickle - we need their vote DrDan Jan 2018 #137

LOL! She said exactly the same thing. And she was very clear that she did not Squinch Jan 2018 #202

Why are we supposed to be so devastated that this right winger thinks we suck? kcr Jan 2018 #100

this person has consistently voted Dem except for once in 2003 DrDan Jan 2018 #103

Bullshit kcr Jan 2018 #104

how do you know that is not her voting record DrDan Jan 2018 #107

I'm not talking about her voting record. You brought it up. kcr Jan 2018 #113

you claimed she was a "right winger" - does that not imply voting preferences? DrDan Jan 2018 #114

I see no reason why her claim she voted for Dems should erase the rest of her bullshit. kcr Jan 2018 #117

so her words that the Dems need to improve messaging is out-of-bounds DrDan Jan 2018 #118

But that wasn't her message kcr Jan 2018 #120

I am willing to listen to her . . . and support her right to express her opinion here . . . and I am DrDan Jan 2018 #122

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #123

no thanks - just fine right here . . . but thanks for your ongoing concern DrDan Jan 2018 #125

Okay then. kcr Jan 2018 #126

What you say she said has no resemblance to what she said. Squinch Jan 2018 #210

I hope she returns, nothing wrong with making suggestions Motley13 Jan 2018 #108

IMO, there's a thin line between guidance toward Eyeball_Kid Jan 2018 #111

The ususal suspects KTM Jan 2018 #112

Discussionist and The Cave are that way kcr Jan 2018 #115

well said - they feel emboldened here to bully anyone who says something contrary to DrDan Jan 2018 #116

And many who were here for decades have similarly been run off Arazi Jan 2018 #183

You stated this perfectly. Some of those same posters post about how they despise bullying. Tipperary Jan 2018 #127

100% agree with you on that. When I first joined I too was met by some of the very same bullies, but OnDoutside Jan 2018 #130

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #132

Your last paragraph says it all. Tipperary Jan 2018 #138

There's nothing middle-school about pointing out how outdated a phrase from last week is. kcr Jan 2018 #139

A phrase from last week? Oh my goodness! Tipperary Jan 2018 #141

Well, it's obvious I'm not in the right crowd n/t kcr Jan 2018 #144

Yea. SixString Jan 2018 #153

Lol! cwydro Jan 2018 #169

Spot on. SixString Jan 2018 #148

Exactly this. Kentonio Jan 2018 #149

Thank you! nt Quixote1818 Jan 2018 #168

So true melman Jan 2018 #199

I think this reply put it best, in that thread: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #133

If people had just disagreed with her point, then that would have been fine. Kentonio Jan 2018 #150

Internet discussion boards aren't for everyone. Orsino Jan 2018 #134

This seems Meta to me. n/t seaglass Jan 2018 #151

Now I feel stupid for being part of the jury that didn't hide this post... hunter Jan 2018 #157

I like that phrase hueymahl Jan 2018 #176

I'm not at all embarrassed to associate myself with the Democratic Party. hunter Jan 2018 #181

I am not either, I am a Proud Democrat hueymahl Jan 2018 #182

Been here since 2003. democrank Jan 2018 #159

New ideas kcr Jan 2018 #162

Agree. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2018 #165

Okay, what's your new idea? hunter Jan 2018 #180

I didn't read all of her posts but she is right about our messaging. Chemisse Jan 2018 #163

There was nothing wrong with her original post. It was thought provoking and clearly pro-dem Quixote1818 Jan 2018 #164

She just needs a thicker skin (nt). MarvinGardens Jan 2018 #172

This right here lunasun Jan 2018 #177

+1 leftstreet Jan 2018 #200

The welcoming committee here sucks? Generic Brad Jan 2018 #179

They sound intelligent and write well Dem2 Jan 2018 #191

when i saw the original exchange questionseverything Jan 2018 #214

She was treated very unfairly. Her posts read as being from someone calm and looking for discussion OhioBlue Jan 2018 #216

I also was on DU before I began volunteering on political and issue-based campaigns. femmedem Jan 2018 #219

hear you loud and clear AmandaRuth Jan 2018 #217

Yes, if we can't talk to each other femmedem Jan 2018 #218