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Igel

(37,546 posts)
15. That's not quite right.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 06:26 PM
Jul 2012

There's a fine on employers, but already a lot of employers are looking at the fine and thinking it's cheaper than what they're paying. They couldn't link it to actual cost of insurance for a lot of reasons. Just the bookkeeping of associating employer/employee would probably kill the thing. People like the idea of being their employer's boss, it's a nice power trip, but it's not going to happen. Some *bureaucrat* will be your employer's boss and that's not the same thing at all.

Then there's Romer's little gem: Employer insurance over a certain cost is subject to a surcharge to make it less preferable to more "equal" insurance levels; old news. It's not indexed to inflation. Entailed: All employer insurance will eventually rise to that "certain cost" and be increasingly subject to a surcharge. Corollary: All employer health insurance will eventually cost the employer significantly more than equivalent coverage on the exchange. Therefore all employer-provided health insurance will go away, leaving a universal fine on companies that don't provide insurance. This she deemed a good thing because the connection between employer and health insurance is bad and health care and government should be thought of as deeply connected.

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My aunt on FB. Dammit. De-bunk help? [View all] Bertha Venation Jul 2012 OP
Simply swap out the "lie" and "truth" and there you are. Scootaloo Jul 2012 #1
Exactly. Scuba Jul 2012 #27
Don't bother. bowens43 Jul 2012 #2
Are you kidding? Dawgs Jul 2012 #28
I'm not able to do the research now, but good places to start are... CBHagman Jul 2012 #3
The new CBO report is out Lucy Goosey Jul 2012 #4
Come on, you know better than that.... Volaris Jul 2012 #24
Guilty as charged... Lucy Goosey Jul 2012 #32
here is one- Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #5
about one in ten American employers have already said that they intend to discontinue... mike_c Jul 2012 #6
I found this Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #7
I am not sure if this is correct but it might be possible avebury Jul 2012 #8
You could start by asking her to support these claims with valid evidence n/t deutsey Jul 2012 #9
Yeah no kidding. If she wants to win the argument, make HER do the work. Volaris Jul 2012 #25
Healthcare.gov PADemD Jul 2012 #10
How can anyone lose their employer supplied health care? JohnnyRingo Jul 2012 #11
That's not quite right. Igel Jul 2012 #15
THANKS, EVERYONE! Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #12
hard to talk in handmade34 Jul 2012 #13
Zero is true Gman Jul 2012 #14
There's what your Aunt says, and there's reality OmahaBlueDog Jul 2012 #16
Great answers!!! I'm bookmarking for my own use later. Dawgs Jul 2012 #30
Excellent, just great. Thank you so much, OmahaBlueDog. Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #34
Truth: they provided no source or Incitatus Jul 2012 #17
You can't debunk it without figuring out what it means. Igel Jul 2012 #18
It's the 10th largest... JHB Jul 2012 #19
Thanks for mentioning that! CBHagman Jul 2012 #20
You might start with this link . . . markpkessinger Jul 2012 #21
Regarding taxes.... aikoaiko Jul 2012 #22
$2500 is too low for us too. Ilsa Jul 2012 #26
Yes, I agree. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #29
Employers have absolutely no requirement to provide health insurance now eridani Jul 2012 #23
Make them prove it since they put it out there as truth lunatica Jul 2012 #31
Thanks, lunatica Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #33
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