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jimlup

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10. I would disagree with you generalization of title for the thread
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 10:47 PM
Jan 2012

And I will state my position carefully and accurately least it be misunderstood. I think sexual violence and yes rape are a very serious problem in our culture. I do not believe that we live a "rape culture".

The idea that we live in a "rape culture" in my opinion deludes the rather significant point that we need to put an end to sexual violence. It is absolutely not OK. Nevertheless to generalize to our whole "culture" is naive at best.

As a student of anthropology I believe that our culture is in a very unstable non-equilibrium state. Evolutionarily speaking we have just barely stopped being an agrarian culture and even that was hardly adapted from our hunter-gatherer true evolutionary heritage. We have entered an age where sexual roles are changing faster than our psychologies can adapt to them. This point is not intended to forgive "rape" in any way. I am only pointing out that sex roles in our society are very badly adapted to our positions and structures.

Some men are evil and use sex as a weapon of power. This is wrong. But it isn't a defining aspect of our culture. There are many serious problems with our culture - this is one of many.

You may have an argument that many male power structures are illegitimate - in fact I would agree with this. But to characterize our culture as "rape culture" undermines credibility and alienates people like me who feel that men are also very seriously oppressed in our society.

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This is a piece I thought was quite good: PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #1
It's embarrasing to be a man sometimes , orpupilofnature57 Jan 2012 #2
breath of fresh air. thank you seabeyond Jan 2012 #3
Rape jokes are no laughing matter Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jan 2012 #5
That is true for some feminists Major Nikon Jan 2012 #13
Equating all feminists with Andrea Dworkin Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #14
Many did, and that's the problem Major Nikon Jan 2012 #16
And I would say that you were contributing to that problem Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #21
in ALL my years i never heard one woman say all sex was rape. never. heard. one. woman say it. BUT seabeyond Jan 2012 #24
When I read "Intercourse" by Dworkin, I did get a little different message than you Nikia Jan 2012 #28
that is exactly what that poster was saying. only men defended him saying he was not saying all seabeyond Jan 2012 #17
Yes DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #12
Not trying to deny the "men's culture" that exists. randome Jan 2012 #22
here is the problem. this is not mere "horrible behavior". it is an undercurrent seabeyond Jan 2012 #25
Statistically your post is bullshit. Depending on the study, approximately 25% of women are raped riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #27
needs pinning at top of Forum getdown Jan 2012 #6
We live in a patriarchy and it permeates every facet of our lives riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #7
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000 Odin2005 Jan 2012 #8
I can't truly imagine how a Woman feels that is raped. It brings up... BlueJazz Jan 2012 #9
I would disagree with you generalization of title for the thread jimlup Jan 2012 #10
Of course men are oppressed in our society -- thanks to the very patriarchy that oppresses Remember Me Jan 2012 #11
Suggested reading and viewing Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #15
this shot of the video is another point. for a year or two, i have noticed many videos seabeyond Jan 2012 #19
No, I have no control over what's shown in the imbedding. Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #23
interesting. i wonder if that is true with all embedding, and it is always a provocative shot of seabeyond Jan 2012 #26
by the way, i watched this before. she is very good. the video is very good. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #20
"naive" getdown Jan 2012 #18
Just posted this in LBN> Survivoreesta Jan 2012 #29
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