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JCanete

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62. All of that assumes that principled influence is welcome in some of these dealings. It assumes that

Tue Jan 30, 2018, 12:00 PM

Jan 2018

Sanders would have been able to unilaterally change the course of legislation or get people on board his own legislative offers. The reality is that his opinions used to get no press. He had no real influence beyond his vote because no attention is given to those who mean to be a wrench in the machinery. Your version of accomplishments is a very mixed and troubled bag and democrats own plenty of bad with the good. At least admit that. Taking two steps back to take one forward is not a win, and we keep taking steps backwards. If the way we have played this game and fought for our principles(weakly-but then that's in part because our goals are not unified in the first place) has lost us 1000 seats in 30 years, then that's not achievement worth championing.

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Sanders Backs Out of Interview After Failing to Dictate Conditions [View all] brooklynite Jan 2018 OP

So Much For Transparency Me. Jan 2018 #1

Since the newspaper won't accede to Sanders' request Weed Man Jan 2018 #2

I don't think this is a tabloid in any sense dsc Jan 2018 #3

It's not. They went after Bernie for the Burlington College issue Weed Man Jan 2018 #5

OMG....they cant ask about the current status of the college, the wood shop and the daughter? BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #11

What could possibly matter about the stepdaughter? Ken Burch Jan 2018 #72

I suppose being such a Bernie fan you may have ignored the Woodshop kerfuffle BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #83

OK...and that is an issue for the voters in Burlington to deal with. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #98

Yet Bernie refuses to clear this up by answering the hard questions. BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #99

You're misreading me. It's not necessarily about including Bernie Ken Burch Jan 2018 #109

Well said LiberalLovinLug Jan 2018 #155

Ms. Driscoll received approximately $500K from Burlington College over 4 years to teach woodworking. George II Jan 2018 #85

It may well be that he does not want to be asked who he favors in the election karynnj Jan 2018 #103

Thank you for that information. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #106

It's Apparently Not 'Painfully' Clear Me. Jan 2018 #16

Should we pass along your concerns Nevernose Jan 2018 #20

Then Why Doesn't He Just Address It Me. Jan 2018 #21

His wife isn't running for president. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #73

Neither Was Bill Clinton Me. Jan 2018 #79

Look, I don't WANT the guy to run for president again. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #97

Adopt What Me. Jan 2018 #100

Adopt the general ideas, which WE can then flesh out. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #110

I THink Half A Mil Me. Jan 2018 #116

For the record, today was the first I'd heard of any issues Ken Burch Jan 2018 #119

Is it your position that Hillary was guilty of the Hortensis Jan 2018 #25

His wife's employment history is that she PRESIDENT of the college! yardwork Jan 2018 #41

Shit happens Nevernose Jan 2018 #112

I'm not screaming. I do think that it's reasonable to investigate this land deal. yardwork Jan 2018 #118

Jane O'Meara Sanders was president of Burlington College when it went under. yardwork Jan 2018 #40

She left in 2011 and the College closed in 2016 Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #111

Yeah...... The college closed because of the debt from the land purchase. yardwork Jan 2018 #117

Oh yeah yeah she was President when it went under. But she wasn't. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #120

That's not what I said. Your approach isn't going to work. yardwork Jan 2018 #122

read post number 40 Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #125

God forbid he should get an uncomfortable question. comradebillyboy Jan 2018 #4

Right? Me. Jan 2018 #10

Not a tabloid newspaper. No different from dozens or hundreds of local papers with websites. George II Jan 2018 #38

"No different from dozens or hundreds of local papers with websites." Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #54

VT Digger was nominated for an Online News Association Award..... George II Jan 2018 #58

OH WOW Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #64

Did you check the link? If you had you might not be as dismissive and sarcastic. George II Jan 2018 #68

The operative word being "might". Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #80

Bernie's brand is that he is not part of the establishment BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #90

Sounds like posthoc mental gymnastics to me. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #91

Really? You thought that a complex consideration? BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #94

No, I thought it was a contrived consideration. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #105

Nope, I'm pretty sure I saw a RWNJ use it on another site. BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #107

I'm fairly confident you didn't. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #126

yes...reinterpret and misinform and make up shit. BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #129

So, you're not visiting RWNJ sites? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #132

want to use electrodes, a lie detector and truth serum? BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #134

You're wrong. Ridiculously and embarrassingly wrong. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #138

and you are over-reacting...you should stop doing that BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #143

If you did, it was stolen from here. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #128

could be BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #131

You said "not from a dem". You're wrong. Not 'could be'. You're just flat-assed wrong. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #140

HMMM....such visceral reactions for you two BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #141

Because you Guilt By Association'd us, very subtly, with RWNJ's, which is both a PPR AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #144

I finally decided to follow the link provided for some VERMIN history BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #146

That's some of the history. It's not the shitpost that incited the whole thing, but it's the AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #148

"I dont think it was from a Dem" puts you a PPR situation? BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #151

If that was your only post, sure, but you went full on 'RWNJ in the next post. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #152

all full circle, with nothing to show for it BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #154

Exactly like your accusation. Nothing to support it. Just an empty smear. Signifying nothing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #156

"smear"? your continued overreaction is laughable BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #157

Wrong. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #127

wrong BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #130

Prove it. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #133

wow so defensive. I can't recall the name of a poster for a search, just recall the VERMIN shield BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #135

Understandable. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #136

gas lighting? BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #137

Is it a mirror? AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #150

I'm not sending you a mirror...you'd only see yourself BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #153

rug, is that you? EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2018 #158

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #159

You're making a PPR-related accusation. You back up your claim. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #139

anyone reading this thread can see I acknowledged that a RWNJ could have borrowed your VERMIN shield BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #142

You wouldn't be the first poster on DU to try and make that image into something that it's not. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #145

I didn't use your logo for anything...now you're back to making up shit BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #147

Again, I think you need to re-read my post, because you have completely misunderstood it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #149

It's not a tabloid, Ninsianna Jan 2018 #47

It's the largest newspaper in VT and not a tabloid. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #102

Politicians do stuff like that all the time. MineralMan Jan 2018 #6

And a damn good one, as he has shown time and time again. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #26

Not a good one, just a typical one, as he has shown time and time again. Ninsianna Jan 2018 #48

no. What makes you establishment is if you avoid the issues that would undercut said establishment. JCanete Jan 2018 #60

No, what makes you establishment is to be an old white male in congress for decades. Ninsianna Jan 2018 #71

+++exactly! Brilliant. People like that reporter are finally starting to R B Garr Jan 2018 #75

They've been covering this local story for years now, it's not fawning and they Ninsianna Jan 2018 #76

That's bullshit. There is no politician that doesn't control what they talk about in an interview JCanete Jan 2018 #78

Beautiful THANK you! EffieBlack Jan 2018 #113

Absolutely establishment. A career politician is by definition establishment. R B Garr Jan 2018 #74

The journalist refused to curb his questions to gain access KitSileya Jan 2018 #7

Good on Seven Days.. Mahalo, Kit. Cha Jan 2018 #13

Guy is in demand. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #8

"Like him or not he is a career politician and knows the moves" BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #14

Yes, let's throw the most popular politician among Democrats under the bus! Good idea! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #27

ahhh pressing that popularity line? And yes, truth is difficult to state here without a hide BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #28

Biden was the most popular in the real polls. R B Garr Jan 2018 #30

How is saying he's "establishment" throwing him under the bus? How is that term not true? George II Jan 2018 #39

Complete abuse of the phrase under the bus NCTraveler Jan 2018 #42

He's not a Democrat and he's not the most popular, but why is requiring him Ninsianna Jan 2018 #49

I love that "most popular" moniker that has been assigned to him based on highly flawed..... George II Jan 2018 #59

Guess they need something, to shush any questions anyone might ask. Ninsianna Jan 2018 #67

that's a stupid definition. Sorry to be blunt, but you are suggesting that you cannot rail against JCanete Jan 2018 #61

Talk about rebranding. nt jrthin Jan 2018 #63

So, all that stuff about how he was different was baloney, then? kcr Jan 2018 #17

He is a bit different. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #23

All of that assumes that principled influence is welcome in some of these dealings. It assumes that JCanete Jan 2018 #62

I question the principled aspect. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #66

I just updated my post before your response which may offer more clarity to what I was saying, but JCanete Jan 2018 #69

They've been trying to get an interview with Sanders for almost 3 years. joshcryer Jan 2018 #9

Seriously? A presidential candidate whining about not getting coverage Ninsianna Jan 2018 #50

Sounds like Sanders is pretty popular! n/t leftstreet Jan 2018 #12

I love Bernie and I would have voted and supported him in the GE... louis c Jan 2018 #15

Good post. nt Blue_true Jan 2018 #89

There are many questions Bernie could answer. kstewart33 Jan 2018 #95

Excellent post! EffieBlack Jan 2018 #115

If he doesn't run for President again I have no problem with this Tom Rinaldo Jan 2018 #18

What you say is fine, but remember he had no qualms about talking about non-political issues.. George II Jan 2018 #24

Why am I not surprised? Tipperary Jan 2018 #19

tough interview questions are as elusive as the release of tax returns BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #22

Yes, the hypocrisy is glaring. nt R B Garr Jan 2018 #29

Can you imagine the long knives ehrnst Jan 2018 #32

Why yes, yes I can n/t BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #33

It would not be pretty Gothmog Jan 2018 #35

Yes. treestar Jan 2018 #53

Well. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #31

K&R Gothmog Jan 2018 #34

K&R Jamaal510 Jan 2018 #36

Yes! Cha Jan 2018 #37

Maybe they wanted to ask about his tax returns. yardwork Jan 2018 #43

The shoe is on the other foot. betsuni Jan 2018 #44

I can't blame him. He works like hell for the people of Vermont and he only wants to discuss issues. Vinca Jan 2018 #45

Sure, this is a nothingburger. But maybe just accept that Hortensis Jan 2018 #46

Perhaps the people of Vermont think that the issues he and his wife were involved Ninsianna Jan 2018 #52

Without rehashing the last primary, it would be nice if we would all refrain from trashing either Vinca Jan 2018 #77

They're not comparable situations. yardwork Jan 2018 #81

Doesn't matter. Bashing Bernie is counterproductive. Vinca Jan 2018 #84

This is the same sentiment as in the article. Don't dare question him or R B Garr Jan 2018 #93

I guarantee that the Republicans will raise these issues. yardwork Jan 2018 #101

I doubt he'll run, but alienating his supporters doesn't make sense. Vinca Jan 2018 #121

This personal identification with politicians is bad for the country. yardwork Jan 2018 #124

What does the primary have to do with anything? Ninsianna Jan 2018 #123

I thought you were referring to Sarah treestar Jan 2018 #51

This thread started around 18 hours ago... KTM Jan 2018 #55

We humans are so easily programmed. jalan48 Jan 2018 #87

Is your next post kacekwl Jan 2018 #56

Depends...is she running for office? And is there something new? brooklynite Jan 2018 #57

I'm sure you could kacekwl Jan 2018 #65

What? "Hillary's emails"? What are Cha Jan 2018 #114

What's the point of going after Jane? Ken Burch Jan 2018 #70

You keep posing the same question. BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #86

I didn't mean to repeat the question. Sorry for that. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #96

Give it a rest. shanny Jan 2018 #82

The OP is reporting the news.. you don't Cha Jan 2018 #92

K&R. lunamagica Jan 2018 #88

Bernie doesn't value transparency as much as he claims to. This is in line with him pnwmom Jan 2018 #104

Show us your fucking tax returns, Bernie. Adrahil Jan 2018 #108