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In reply to the discussion: Time to be "Well Regulated"? [View all]baldguy
(36,649 posts)73. Wow! I'm...I'm not really sure how to respond to this.
We usually see such mindless, concrete devotion to highly counter-factual statements only from reptile-brained Teabaggers, RW evangelical "Christians". "Starship Troopers" so widely acknowledged and is so obviously a depiction of a fascist society that, for any normal person to attempt to think otherwise would most likely cause them to have a stroke. Or a catatonic fit, at least. Saying it isn't fascist is like saying water isn't wet, or the Pope isn't Catholic, or that Fox News isn't the propaganda arm of the GOP.
The fact that it's satire is a little more difficult for the casual reader to grasp, but not much. Heinlein's masterful artistry is fully on display when he can paint his characters with such outrageous and absurdly over-the-top images, and yet have them act with totally convincing seriousness and absolute conviction. Verhoeven's failure was that he took Heinlein's story with three-dimensional, if slightly unreal characters from a smart & thoughtful satire, and turned it into a Hanna-Barbera cartoon of Ken & Barbie's bug hunt with their childhood friend, Obersturmbannführer Doogie Howser. All that was missing was the fluffy dog.
In reality, the characters from the book would be considered to be dysfunctional psychopaths if they existed in real life. This is one of the only things that Heinlein allows to give it away. Also the fact that he was a life-long libertarian, and that he never saw fit to try to shoehorn this work into his mainline Future History like he did nearly every other story he ever wrote. And finally - what really exposes it - just think of how his self-acknowledged alter-ego (and literal Mother fucker) Lazarus Long would have thought of & treated Johnny Rico. It's not likely Johnny would have survived the encounter.
I guess it's really no surprise that less-than-thoughtful people either don't recognize the blatant & over-the-top fascism, or do recognize & acknowledge it - AND LIKE IT! And neither group can see the satire.
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Getting rid of the '86 ban on new manufacture of fully automatic weapons would be a good start.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#4
Your link is from a satire site. You're not exactly covering yourself in credibility, here.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#26
Legal owners of machine guns are the most responsible, law abiding gun owners
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#19
Sure. Repeal the '86 machine gun ban, '68 Gun Control Act, and '34 Gun Control Act.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#40
So, your position is basically identical to the most extreme RW policies of the NRA.
baldguy
Jul 2012
#48
Responsibility is a liberal value, too. It's sickeningly fascinating how RW extremists always avoid it.
baldguy
Jul 2012
#59
Mine are sufficiently regulated. I don't need any help from you or anyone else.
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#7
Yes please. I want to make enough money to get away from people like you,
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2012
#42
It's my belief that any honest reading of the 2nd Amendment renders ALL Federal firearm regulations
Llewlladdwr
Jul 2012
#29
Any honest reading of the Second Amendment wouldn't ignore the first part of the sentence.
AndyA
Jul 2012
#31
The Militia is mentioned because the neccessity for one is the reason the right of the people to
Llewlladdwr
Jul 2012
#44