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Yavin4

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43. What data are you basing your opinion on?

Wed Jan 31, 2018, 12:23 AM

Jan 2018

Did Jeb lose the nomination because he was a Bush or because his brother was fucking disaster as president. A president that gave us the worst economic collapse since the Depression. If anything being a Bush was the primary reason why W was able to win 2000 even though he was a complete incompetent at the time.

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the presidency because almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong, most notably the Comey letter which made everyone think that she was under investigation again. Still, she won the nomination rather easily. If people don't want political dynasties then why did she win the nomination and the popular vote?

So, your statement that most voters simply won't vote for a dynasty has little to no support from the actual data.

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Please, no more political family dynasties [View all] Miigwech Jan 2018 OP

Also good points. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #1

Oh please.. if someone is dynamic Cha Jan 2018 #2

+1 BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #12

Yes mcar Jan 2018 #13

On JFK who was assassinated Cha Jan 2018 #31

Well said, TY👍🙂 arthritisR_US Jan 2018 #109

Loved and voted for Hillary Miigwech Jan 2018 #19

I don't think voters will judge Cha Jan 2018 #36

Well if you listened to his words tonight he said Nothing about his family or name. Wwcd Jan 2018 #96

Beautifully said, Wwcd! Cha Jan 2018 #112

He is the leader I want to build a better world for my grandkids. Wwcd Jan 2018 #114

Amen! radical noodle Jan 2018 #54

Exactly, rad.. Mahalo! Cha Jan 2018 #61

Mahalo Cha! radical noodle Jan 2018 #71

I agree with you. Judge the person jrthin Jan 2018 #85

We're still waiting for someone dynamic and brilliant... Baconator Jan 2018 #111

I don't know who you mean by "we" Cha Jan 2018 #113

This Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2018 #115

Like who? nolabear Jan 2018 #3

No disqualifications - if he can lead, he can lead MaryMagdaline Jan 2018 #4

Who you got? EricMaundry Jan 2018 #5

Its not a dynasty. Your idea of a dynasty is flawed. phleshdef Jan 2018 #6

dilly dilly ! CincyDem Jan 2018 #8

John. Bobby, Ted, Joe II, Caroline, Patrick, and now Joe III.......... MichMan Jan 2018 #15

Truth Miigwech Jan 2018 #21

So 1 President, 1 almost President, 1 very significant Senator and a handful with lackluster careers phleshdef Jan 2018 #27

Ted would have run for president too MichMan Jan 2018 #29

Would have doesn't count. Its not a dynasty. phleshdef Jan 2018 #35

Sure sounds like it to me MichMan Jan 2018 #56

Nope. Meaningless trivia. phleshdef Jan 2018 #83

Ted primaried Jimmy Carter in 1980. comradebillyboy Jan 2018 #49

Wow. H2O Man Jan 2018 #50

You don't think Chappaquiddick had a negative impact on his chance of being elected president? MichMan Jan 2018 #59

Perhaps you might H2O Man Jan 2018 #66

JFK and Bobby were assassinated Cha Jan 2018 #57

Same regurgitated shit they screeched about Clinton Wwcd Jan 2018 #25

So, the Kennedy name means nothing to no one? Miigwech Jan 2018 #51

It's not time for shit. People have the freedom to run and vote. phleshdef Jan 2018 #87

Some dynasty BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #7

Right.. And, his granddad was assassinated Cha Jan 2018 #22

Do you mean Joes grandfather? spooky3 Jan 2018 #58

Oh yes.. I guess I do! Cha Jan 2018 #67

I know, though this last year was an exception!!!! spooky3 Jan 2018 #75

I took 5 months off so it Cha Jan 2018 #80

Does it help to be many miles away from Cheeto? spooky3 Jan 2018 #93

Oh yeah, spooky.. it was pure bliss.. and Cha Jan 2018 #97

Sounds wonderful!! spooky3 Jan 2018 #99

That was my concern when I saw who was giving the rebuttal. Political dynasties are currently southerncrone Jan 2018 #9

LOL BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #30

What a rude comment. southerncrone Jan 2018 #41

Exactly ... why else did they pick a Kennedy to do Miigwech Jan 2018 #98

Here's why... lapucelle Jan 2018 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Jan 2018 #105

So someone should be automatically disqualified because they went into the "family business' Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #10

He is a Congressman. Its bullshit to suggest he has never made something of himself on his own. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #11

Tks FF -for going the extra mile researching Joe Kennedy lll - eom asiliveandbreathe Jan 2018 #52

Let's not let somebody win just because they're GOOD or anything shenmue Jan 2018 #14

Y'all hearing what I'm hearing?! 😒 sprinkleeninow Jan 2018 #110

I will not discount a person because of their family name. Blue_true Jan 2018 #16

For example, a Bush can't win the Presidency Miigwech Jan 2018 #28

You have your opinion. Let voters decide his suitability. Blue_true Jan 2018 #37

Please. joshcryer Jan 2018 #17

I've met him and heard him speak and answer questions in a small venue. CentralMass Jan 2018 #18

That's hilarious orangecrush Jan 2018 #20

Oh brother. blue neen Jan 2018 #23

Joe Kennedy III exceeded the challenge of the rebuttal. ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2018 #24

Well his reviews coming in are damned impressive. Wwcd Jan 2018 #47

Did you people see or hear what dump had to say. Fuck people focus. onecaliberal Jan 2018 #26

A prominent family is not a dynasty. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #32

What are you saying? Let's elect some man off the street because he's procon Jan 2018 #33

He can earn it MFM008 Jan 2018 #34

And he has been. And he take a big step forward tonight. nt pnwmom Jan 2018 #42

The whole of American history is against you... First Speaker Jan 2018 #38

Feeling threatened already? Sorry, but Joe Kennedy is just as eligible pnwmom Jan 2018 #39

I think Hillary should run again. joshcryer Jan 2018 #46

I'm 99% sure she won't, though I wouldn't ever rule her out. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #53

As am I. joshcryer Jan 2018 #60

I would vote for Hillary again Miigwech Jan 2018 #101

Oh believe me, they are feeling very threatened tonight BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #65

Bull RussBLib Jan 2018 #40

What data are you basing your opinion on? Yavin4 Jan 2018 #43

Joe Kennedy carries himself well with his own credentials and life experiences democratisphere Jan 2018 #44

Dynasty...puleez...Rep. Joe Kennedy lll D from Massachusetts...he asiliveandbreathe Jan 2018 #45

K & R Wwcd Jan 2018 #63

Wow!!! I am impressed with your observations, so well written.. asiliveandbreathe Jan 2018 #73

Im more concerned that our response to drumps anti-diversity is to trot out a white Christian male MadDAsHell Jan 2018 #48

You have got to be fucking kidding me. GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #82

As a MoC I was thrilled to see a charismatic young Dem radius777 Jan 2018 #94

Your shitting me. TomSlick Jan 2018 #55

I don't care wheter they are from a so-called "dinasty" or not. I just want the right peson for the lunamagica Jan 2018 #62

You're wrong on obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2018 #64

This OP pleases me and makes me proud of DU grantcart Jan 2018 #68

Agree with Joe Kennedy's accomplishments Miigwech Jan 2018 #79

actually people are generally deeper than that, you are the shallow one. grantcart Jan 2018 #89

The Kennedy's haven't had major power for 50 fricking years. And if I recall, things rocked when Quixote1818 Jan 2018 #69

Wow just wow Lotusflower70 Jan 2018 #70

NO nini Jan 2018 #72

Joe was great. Let that be the message tonight. No need to plan out next 4 years. Justice Jan 2018 #74

so you would reject Justin Trudeau ? JI7 Jan 2018 #76

So someone who stands with the party and for the party is a big "no" ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #77

He's not a dynasty. He's a legacy candidate underthematrix Jan 2018 #78

I will not prejudge someone based upon their family 4now Jan 2018 #81

So.. you don't like talented individuals that want to serve? Thekaspervote Jan 2018 #84

Blanket statements are rarely productive. Caliman73 Jan 2018 #86

The Kennedy family MontanaMama Jan 2018 #88

I couldn't disagree with the OP more...... Upthevibe Jan 2018 #95

So you dropped this Cleveland Steamer of an OP here GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #90

Well, I guess that settles it, then. How did he take it when you broke the bad news to him? NBachers Jan 2018 #91

... BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #92

Joe Kennedy did a great speech! burrowowl Jan 2018 #100

LOL Skittles Jan 2018 #102

He deserves to be judged on his merits like anyone else. nocalflea Jan 2018 #103

I just hope that every single person here who is screaming about no more political PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #104

I understand, but I don't believe anyone should be eliminated just napi21 Jan 2018 #107

Bzzzzt. LuvLoogie Jan 2018 #108

You mean like FDR and Bobby Kennedy and Al Gore? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #116