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In reply to the discussion: Gosh Joe Kennedy is young. And really good. Think people will rally? [View all]sheshe2
(97,458 posts)112. You, Sophia say:
I think we Democrats have lost our focus on economic issues. When I was growing up in the post-FDR period, economic issues were really the reason Democrats won campaigns. Democrats did not focus on the justice issues having to do with equality. I agree with the focus on equality, but (and I'm a woman), we need to focus now more on economics than we do because the majority of Americans share an interest in economic security and at this stage we should focus on shared interests because in so doing we will forward the interests of minorities. We have to be able to do both things -- focus on justice and equality issues while improving the economy.
Please explain how we Democrats lost focus on economic issues. You do remember that Obama took office in a Great Recession brought on by greedy GOP and two wars paid for by a credit card? He kept us from sliding into a Great Depression.
The New Yorker
https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/obamas-economic-record-an-assessment
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It was another fairly strong report: a hundred and fifty-six thousand jobs were created in December, the unemployment rate was 4.7 per cent, and average hourly wages were almost three per cent higher than they had been a year earlier. As the Presidents supporters were quick to point out, this was the seventy-fifth consecutive month of job growth, which is a record for the modern era. Since early 2010, 15.8 million jobs have been created.
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But Presidents arent mere bystanders. The policies they carry out, in conjunction with Congress, matter a great deal. In times of acute danger, Presidents can give the economy a much-needed boost. Or they can prolong the agony. In the longer term, policies such as new spending programs, changes to the tax laws, and reforms of the regulatory code can have a major effect. Anybody who doubts this needs to read up on the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt or of Ronald Reagan.
You Sophia say:
I think that Obama did a pretty good job balancing those things but because of trade, many Americans think the economy worsened for them personally. They forget that while their really good job may have been moved overseas, and they are earning less, they can buy a lot with what they earn because the imported products are so cheap. It's a trade-off. Democrats have not pointed to the advantages of trade. And Democrats have not pointed out that if people don't buy the imported products, but buy American, jobs will return.
A pretty good job? I would say he did a fine job coming into office during a near Great Depression with the Republican traitors that met the night of his Inauguration saying the would do all that they could to make him a one term President. They swore they would do anything to see him fail. Did you forget this part of history?
Once again from the New Yorker.
But Presidents arent mere bystanders. The policies they carry out, in conjunction with Congress, matter a great deal. In times of acute danger, Presidents can give the economy a much-needed boost.Or they can prolong the agony. In the longer term, policies such as new spending programs, changes to the tax laws, and reforms of the regulatory code can have a major effect. Anybody who doubts this needs to read up on the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt or of Ronald Reagan.
Obamas policies helped lift the economy out of a frightening slump and set it on a path to steady, if unspectacular, growth. In fact, Id call this his biggest achievement. The scale of the financial panic of 2008 and the extent of the job losses that occurred in the first months of 2009 should never be forgotten. By a number of macroeconomic measuresincluding household wealth, employment and trade flowsthe first year of the Great Recession in the United States saw declines that were as large or larger than at the outset of the Great Depression in 1929-30, Jason Furman, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, recounted in an exit memo that he posted online this week.
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No matter how hard we wish for things it will not ever happen over night. It also takes a hell of a lot of hard work to achieve our goals and having the obstructionist GOP vowing your demise on day one will not help us to get there quickly.
I will also say no to your stated priorities, economic justice goes hand and hand with social justice. One without the other means nothing because there will be no social justice if we only focus on economic justice. I want both and I refuse a half loaf when I can have a full one.
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Gosh Joe Kennedy is young. And really good. Think people will rally? [View all]
nolabear
Jan 2018
OP
Uh huh. What if he isnt in favor of it now, says we have to get total control of the government
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2018
#57
So no, you will NOT commit to vote Democratic Party no matter what, got it.
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2018
#61
That is not what you said, I asked if he was your congressperson and so on, read it again please.
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2018
#68
Sen. Sanders has never share with us how to actually get universal health...medicare for all will
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#96
We'll find out his stands on things. Safe to assume he adheres to the Kennedy views. nt
Honeycombe8
Jan 2018
#72
We have always known that people who support Sanders want him to run again even though he can't win
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#97
It matters to activists in the Party, but not to ordinary voters who don't read it
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#124
So you want to return to the time democrats focused more on economic issues?
GulfCoast66
Jan 2018
#117
Yeah, sure does. My first reaction to him is NOT what about him can I find I dont like.
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2018
#65
The same was said about Obama...we can't wait. We need to win...if he can do it...having followed
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#98
Let me also say, we need to run on the ACA...that is understood and liked by people. It can't
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#106
For those without handy access to a Bible (or who can be bothered to look it up!) ;-)
Staph
Jan 2018
#10
Why? Give the GOP more time to demonize him. No, he is old enough...time to pass the mantle on to
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#23
I agree. He's a little green, still. But he has "it." Is 2020 too soon? Is he tough enough? nt
Honeycombe8
Jan 2018
#76
I find your remarks somewhat troubling...maybe we should just select the best candidate who can win.
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#19
And I respect where you are coming from. I do see you were right about the Franken debacle.
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#50
He has a "D" next to his name, should he win a primary, he will be supported.
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#22
I see - another damned litmus test for a candidate. The you disparage moderates.
tonyt53
Jan 2018
#59
FYI, having lived in Europe for years, I will tell you that their single payer
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#126
But you fail to tell how it would be paid for in the US. Easy to say what you did.
tonyt53
Feb 2018
#130
We won't get universal healthcare without a super majority...we can get a public option...
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#108
He is the sort of candidate who will be very attractive to independents...like Pres. Obama. And
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#51
No he is not...Sanders and Conyers give too few details...he is concerned with the how and why.
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#102
not by me. I won't be voting for a prohibitionist. Hopefully he doesn't run for president
rollin74
Jan 2018
#63
I like him a great deal. I think many will back him because he radiate sincerity and decency...much
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#21
We've got some talented women in the House and Senate. We need a woman in the WH.
CTyankee
Feb 2018
#138
Don't you find it a bit strange that a woman hasn't been deemed "best Democrat" with the exception
CTyankee
Feb 2018
#141
If one looks at who has actually mounted a serious try for the nomination, then no, I don't.
DFW
Feb 2018
#142
I'm wondering if it will be a woman who graduated from one of the 5 isister schools...
CTyankee
Feb 2018
#143
He needs to refresh his reefer madness attitude on marijuana before I would ever consider voting
tritsofme
Jan 2018
#45
me too. I will NOT ever vote for him until he changes his tune on wanting to criminalize cannabis
rollin74
Jan 2018
#58
I don't think a candidate with such retrograde positions on marijujana is at all viable
tritsofme
Jan 2018
#111
I hope so. He is just like his father.....Just hope the secret service stays on top of him.
onecent
Jan 2018
#48
Same. I didnt see the it factor others did. I see that in Kamala, she is formidable.
bettyellen
Jan 2018
#81
Well I see TYT, New Republic, Slate and the Justice Dems have been working overtime
Blue_Tires
Jan 2018
#87