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baldguy

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77. Why is it that RWers must always appeal to some authority?

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:46 AM

Jul 2012

Are you not capable of reading, thinking about what you've read & forming your own opinion? The first person who'd insist on rational adults having the need for this ability is RAH. And a close second would be Spider Robinson: "I do not worship Robert Heinlein. I do not agree with everything he says. There are a number of his opinions concerning which I have serious reservations..." Looking at this (and the fact that Robinson says virtually nothing about libertarianism there) it's obvious you didn't even bother to read the passage you've linked to.

So, go ahead, be the kind of rational & capable adult that RAH championed: think for yourself.

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Time to be "Well Regulated"? [View all] sellitman Jul 2012 OP

No fucking way. -..__... Jul 2012 #1

Getting rid of the '86 ban on new manufacture of fully automatic weapons would be a good start. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #4

Sure sellitman Jul 2012 #6

And who has advocated such a position? Please, be *specific*. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #9

How about the NRA leader himself? sellitman Jul 2012 #10

He said "someone", not "every man woman and child". Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #17

More guns in the theater? sellitman Jul 2012 #23

That's not the question at hand. You said: Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #25

You have created a straw man from my argument sellitman Jul 2012 #27

Your LaPierre quote is from a satire site! Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #28

Clearly? On what evidence? NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #41

Can I just say that this is a pretty obvious attempt at trolling? rbixby Jul 2012 #71

Are you really citing that tripe as an actual quote from the NRA or lapierre? rl6214 Jul 2012 #24

Your link is from a satire site. You're not exactly covering yourself in credibility, here. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #16

Gangs would agree with you. UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #18

Legal owners of machine guns are the most responsible, law abiding gun owners Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #19

So you're for gun regulation. UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #20

Some, yes. Less than we presently have, though. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #22

Define "Less" please Scootaloo Jul 2012 #33

Sure. Repeal the '86 machine gun ban, '68 Gun Control Act, and '34 Gun Control Act. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #40

So... Scootaloo Jul 2012 #43

I know what I want...! Forgot one, though: CCW reciprocity. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #46

So, your position is basically identical to the most extreme RW policies of the NRA. baldguy Jul 2012 #48

Well? DiverDave Jul 2012 #53

Well, what? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #57

You know that "Starship Troopers" was Heinlein's satire of fascism. baldguy Jul 2012 #69

Heinleins' book did not depict a facist society, nor was it satire. PavePusher Jul 2012 #70

Wow! I'm...I'm not really sure how to respond to this. baldguy Jul 2012 #73

I have to ask, does anyone else share your opinion? PavePusher Jul 2012 #75

Freedom is a liberal value, yes? I'm in favor of more of it. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #56

Responsibility is a liberal value, too. It's sickeningly fascinating how RW extremists always avoid it. baldguy Jul 2012 #59

No comments if favor of responsibility from you? baldguy Jul 2012 #67

Militias are well regulated RegieRocker Jul 2012 #2

LOL!! Zoeisright Jul 2012 #11

"Well Regulated" meaning "well equipped and trained"? Sure. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #3

I own guns, but I don't keep them loaded. The handguns are in a safe. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #5

Mine are sufficiently regulated. I don't need any help from you or anyone else. slackmaster Jul 2012 #7

As a long-time proponent of Universal National Service ... TahitiNut Jul 2012 #8

Stop it willya permatex Jul 2012 #12

But, but, but... sarisataka Jul 2012 #15

A quote: Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #30

There's a fine liberal thinker, there. baldguy Jul 2012 #49

Freedom is a liberal value, yes? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #55

Heinlein's was well known as a LIBERTARIAN nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #62

Responsibility is a liberal value, too. baldguy Jul 2012 #63

I'm pretty sure that if you've read any Heinlein... PavePusher Jul 2012 #76

Why is it that RWers must always appeal to some authority? baldguy Jul 2012 #77

I am thinking for myself. PavePusher Jul 2012 #78

You're not appealing to authority... baldguy Jul 2012 #81

No comments if favor of responsibility from you? baldguy Jul 2012 #68

Did Heinlein oppose conscription thucythucy Jul 2012 #79

There is no good rational choice here. stevebreeze Jul 2012 #13

Your post is confusing ... spin Jul 2012 #38

ban all death spewers and killer clips. ileus Jul 2012 #14

Yes please. I want to make enough money to get away from people like you, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #42

there is another country G_j Jul 2012 #47

Somalia baldguy Jul 2012 #50

Not more popular, merely not worth disrupting society over. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #58

I choose 'Other', but only because I decline to address another petronius Jul 2012 #21

Missed the sarcasm tag I guess sellitman Jul 2012 #54

It's my belief that any honest reading of the 2nd Amendment renders ALL Federal firearm regulations Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #29

Any honest reading of the Second Amendment wouldn't ignore the first part of the sentence. AndyA Jul 2012 #31

So explain it to me then. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #32

There ya go, just ignore that phrase and arm up. Hoyt Jul 2012 #34

I'm not ignoring it at all. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #35

Read Stevens' Dissent in Heller, you'll understand. Won't admit it though. Hoyt Jul 2012 #36

So, you can't explain it then? NT Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #37

Okay, I've read the dissent. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #45

Why is a well-regulated Militia even mentioned? AndyA Jul 2012 #39

The Militia is mentioned because the neccessity for one is the reason the right of the people to Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #44

Outlaw guns but substitute Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #51

Yep. I'm a strong 2nd amendment supporter. TroglodyteScholar Jul 2012 #52

What, you want to start a posse? Taverner Jul 2012 #60

Won't be popular, I know nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #61

How should we make it harder? nt rrneck Jul 2012 #64

Make it as hard as getting a license to practice medicine. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #65

Maybe so. That means you go on to the next segment TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #66

Well done - Thank you. GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #72

Other - trashing gun thread #522. closeupready Jul 2012 #74

Out law guns completely!!!!!!!!!!!! gopiscrap Jul 2012 #80