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Bob Wallace

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79. What happens before the bill goes into effect...

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:05 PM

Jan 2012

Cannot be used to judge what will happen after the bill goes into effect.

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"there are no parts of this law that provide an incentive fir companies to keep patients healthy"

Paying Physicians Based on Value Not Volume. A new provision will tie physician payments to the quality of care they provide. Physicians will see their payments modified so that those who provide higher value care will receive higher payments than those who provide lower quality care. Effective January 1, 2015.

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"And denied service is the number one reason for bankruptcy even now."

Insurance companies will not have the ability to deny services as they now do. There are defined services under the Exchange rules and a new system for contesting denials.

You really need to read the provisions in the PPACA. You seem to be railing against the pre-PPACA conditions.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/full.html

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Anecdotal evidence? MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #130

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Regarding your second sentence. MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #133

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