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41. They DO allow US citizens to emigrate here. They do NOT have the welcome mat out.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:59 PM
Feb 2018

Unemployment here is usually higher here, so they are not beckoning. Many countries have worker-unfriendly laws (they claim they're the opposite) that make it nearly impossible for an employer to fire an employee. As a result, employers are reluctant to take full-time employees on, since it is so difficult to fire them if it doesn't work out. As a result, cruel part-time "trial" arrangements just get extended for six-month periods on end. You really have to prove yourself before getting a permanent position.

If you don't work for a European employer, then getting health insurance is complicated in many countries. When I moved to Germany, I went to a well-recommended insurance company for a quote. I filled out the health history, and due to my pre-exisiting condition, they quoted me €2500 a month. That is €30,000 ($37,000) a year. Kinda steep.

Language: yes, everyone knows SOME English. But if you want to live and work here (I'm in Germany) and speak no German, you will have about as easy a time finding a job as someone looking for work in Dallas who speaks only German. Know the language of where you want to move. Learn it BEFORE you go. Period.

Unless you have some cool international position they will accept as full-time employment, get a job lined up before you attempt to move. They will put you through the ringer for a residence visa and a work visa. They did that to me, and I had a steady job, US health insurance, speak fluent German, and am married to a German citizen to boot.

Be aware of local ways. Germany controls its citizens and residents far more closely than what we are used to. They have what is called here "Polizieiliche Anmeldung." You have to register your residence with the police in the town you live in, and tell them if you move away, and when you arrive in your new town, you have to do it again, tell the where you came from, where you plan to live, etc etc. When I told my accountant Dallas all the information the German tax authorities wanted about me, he said he'd get arrested for divulging that kind of info if he revealed it to any American authority. On the other hand don't expect the cops to get really active investigating theft, violent crime or white collar crime. They are more interested in car accidents or things that involve little paperwork.

And the weather sucks.

All that having been said, if you can handle all that, learn the language to a fair degree of proficiency, and find yourself a decent place to live, you will find friends quickly, have plenty of nearby cool places to visit, and LOVE the food. It's expensive to live here, so be prepared not to be able to afford everything you want. On the other hand, hundreds of amazing places are nearby. Germany, besides having many wonderful places to visit, borders on Denmark, Poland, Czech Rep., Austria, Switzerland, France, Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands. Less than a two hour flight from most anywhere in Germany to most of Ireland, the UK, Sweden, Norway, Croatia, Hungary, Spain, and Italy.

It depends on who you are and what your general nature is, of course, but I married one of the friendlier natives here (ask California Peggy, she knows), and haven't regretted it since.

So, make sure you REALLY want to to this before setting out to do it.

If not, hey, it's a nice place to visit..........

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The US all the way for me. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #1
THIS. :) Huge no. I'd like to live in Europe, but not to run away. Hortensis Feb 2018 #6
No I'm African American underthematrix Feb 2018 #2
Love your wording. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #4
Heh. nt LexVegas Feb 2018 #11
You could use a nice smile to go with that one, Under. Hortensis Feb 2018 #14
I would say thats his point. The wording was no accident. bettyellen Feb 2018 #53
Oh my. I'm so sorry if that's the case. Hortensis Feb 2018 #60
The sarcasm is still lost on you, huh? WOW. bettyellen Feb 2018 #71
:) Behaviors stem from our underlying personality Hortensis Feb 2018 #72
So you refuse to get sarcasm when it flew over your head? And because you missed it- bettyellen Feb 2018 #73
I don't understand why you're so upset. Hortensis Feb 2018 #75
Im not at all upset. It seems like youre not so good at reading for tone or intent. bettyellen Feb 2018 #79
Western Europe is a multiracial continent these days Sharpshooter007 Feb 2018 #74
Technically speaking, I could already go since I am dual US/UK VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #3
Our Danish DIL has that door open -- until and if it closed, Hortensis Feb 2018 #16
I lived in France for five years Ellen Forradalom Feb 2018 #5
Why is it difficult? nt avebury Feb 2018 #10
I speak pretty good French and have zero problems there but I believe for expats/visitors CurtEastPoint Feb 2018 #28
A number of factors Ellen Forradalom Feb 2018 #38
When the time comes for me to seriously avebury Feb 2018 #54
Just read David Lebovitz's "L'Appart" -- explains this from other dimensions fierywoman Feb 2018 #62
I would for financial reasons Cartoonist Feb 2018 #7
Finland. I'm one-sixteenth Fin/on-sixteenth Swede from my mother's side. haele Feb 2018 #8
Ha. LexVegas Feb 2018 #9
Absolutely Butterflylady Feb 2018 #12
Hell no. grossproffit Feb 2018 #13
Yes. Probably Ireland. Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #15
If America collapsed, maybe. I'd maybe go to Mexico and stand with them. LuvLoogie Feb 2018 #17
UK zipplewrath Feb 2018 #18
The UK is a basket case at the moment VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #23
Um, look around you zipplewrath Feb 2018 #30
That's kind of the point VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #44
The pubs are much better though... HipChick Feb 2018 #50
Oh, no question about that VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #61
I'd beg to differ zipplewrath Feb 2018 #76
Uh, the BREXIT vote was all about white supremacy. VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #83
I'm move to Scotland kurtcagle Feb 2018 #19
Not unless things got much worse here. cemaphonic Feb 2018 #20
No. I would choose either Australia or New Zealand. roamer65 Feb 2018 #21
Me too! Probably NZ if jobs weren't an issue. Luciferous Feb 2018 #39
I hear Sardinia is nice. maveric Feb 2018 #22
Absolutely! avebury Feb 2018 #24
The British Virgin Islands kydo Feb 2018 #25
Yes onecaliberal Feb 2018 #26
France, hands down. The most beautiful country and nicest people. And food... yeah... CurtEastPoint Feb 2018 #27
Nope. stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #29
Australia AJT Feb 2018 #31
why only europe, I think Canada is more suitable and has more potential AlexSFCA Feb 2018 #32
It's cold there doc03 Feb 2018 #67
Same here! JNelson6563 Feb 2018 #85
UK or France Roland99 Feb 2018 #33
Scotland (Edinburgh is my absolute favorite city) , Canada, Norway octoberlib Feb 2018 #34
Maybe Ireland as supposedly I have an ancestor from there. area51 Feb 2018 #35
UK 🇬🇧 GrapesOfWrath Feb 2018 #36
Ireland, England or Italy meadowlander Feb 2018 #37
If I had about a billion dollars, yes jmowreader Feb 2018 #40
They DO allow US citizens to emigrate here. They do NOT have the welcome mat out. DFW Feb 2018 #41
England, then Ireland obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #42
Already went, I'm in the UK. (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Feb 2018 #43
If younger the wife and I would enjoy working in Europe for several years GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #45
probably not crazycatlady Feb 2018 #46
No, for family reasons, but I'd like to have that option available. DavidDvorkin Feb 2018 #47
Germany works for me, too Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #48
Maybe if I were younger lillypaddle Feb 2018 #49
Spain--I'd settle in Barcelona. nt tblue37 Feb 2018 #51
It might be the country of Catalonia by the time you get there. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2018 #80
I used to live there as a teenager DFW Feb 2018 #87
England shenmue Feb 2018 #52
I'm too old to uproot myself, but if I were younger The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #55
Germany spinbaby Feb 2018 #56
I'd rather go sailing around the Mediterranean. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2018 #57
I'm too old ... GeorgeGist Feb 2018 #58
Florence, Italy because of all the art. CTyankee Feb 2018 #59
Probably England (London or nearby) or Austria (Vienna) smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #63
Spain, Southern Spain itcfish Feb 2018 #64
No, thanks leftynyc Feb 2018 #65
Sometimes, circumstances dictate where you go. I'm a proud American, too, just don't live there. DFW Feb 2018 #89
I'm not in a situation leftynyc Feb 2018 #92
Why does it have to be european? ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #66
This is the only place that I know. Blue_true Feb 2018 #68
No. logosoco Feb 2018 #69
Both the Redwoods and Maine are well worth the effort DFW Feb 2018 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue_true Feb 2018 #70
Denmark would work for me. Ligyron Feb 2018 #77
Canada for me.. Im only a cpl hundred miles from the border..if that... samnsara Feb 2018 #78
Yes. I have looked into emigrating. Orange Free State Feb 2018 #81
Have you visited Germany? It is a lovely country, but you might be surprised at the rules and Tipperary Feb 2018 #82
Yes. Been several times. Yavin4 Feb 2018 #84
Probably France. mnhtnbb Feb 2018 #86
Iceland BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #88
Yes. Not sure exactly where. Crunchy Frog Feb 2018 #91
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