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77. I had a kidney removed without a definite diagnosis

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 08:59 AM

Feb 2018

According to the figures I found through research, 80% of all masses on kidneys are cancer. Taking a biopsy of a kidney is about as invasive as re-secting (removing part of it) or removing it. With today's methods kidney removal can be done with extremely small incisions.

In my case, the decision to not wait was a good one - in fact, the trans arterial valve replacement I had was allowed and expedited because of the concern about the mass on my kidney. The CT scan that showed the mass measured it at about 4 x 4.5 cm. By the time they removed it six weeks later it was half again as large. Because of the location on the kidney they could not re-sect and had to take the entire kidney.

The biggest danger with a mass on a kidney is that it will spread to other organs. So long as it is confined to one kidney or part of a kidney it can be quickly removed.

This information pertains to the research I did for my own case - kidney masses in a young child may be very different. I am not a doctor, just a self informed patient.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] laserhaas Feb 2018 OP

I cannot believe they did surgery and did not diagnose the kidney. WatF is this website? bettyellen Feb 2018 #1

The website is not the story. laserhaas Feb 2018 #35

I don't believe this story as styled.* Wait for Hortensis Feb 2018 #181

I had a kidney removed without a definite diagnosis csziggy Feb 2018 #77

Good post. JNelson6563 Feb 2018 #79

Thank you csziggy Feb 2018 #80

From what I can gather, kidney masses in young children are likely cancerous as well. LisaL Feb 2018 #87

In the video, the woman says its stage four cancer and that they have no diagnosis- bettyellen Feb 2018 #156

The article says this: pnwmom Feb 2018 #164

Since the mass was large they were preparing the family for the likihood of removal- there is also bettyellen Feb 2018 #170

It's a 4 hour drive between Las Vegas and Los Angeles, which would have been faster pnwmom Feb 2018 #176

Youre skipping over the part where they get to LA and they still do not want surgery thats been bettyellen Feb 2018 #180

They didn't want the open surgery without a biopsy first. And they were shocked to see pnwmom Feb 2018 #185

But they didnt want another American doctor. And there was a biopsy done but they claim they still bettyellen Feb 2018 #186

I don't blame them for not trusting American doctors after what they'd been put through. pnwmom Feb 2018 #188

She lied about what they put her through . They needed to make sure that kid was going to a doctor bettyellen Feb 2018 #194

How do you know she lied? That's the same thing people were saying pnwmom Feb 2018 #206

When they talked about taking her home to die is when you trust thats exactly what they might do. bettyellen Feb 2018 #211

Concur...Nothing was imminent death threatening laserhaas Feb 2018 #215

Its spread to her lungs as they suspected. So any delay in treatment was dangerous. They believe bettyellen Feb 2018 #286

But why.... VivienneLove Feb 2018 #348

The mom delayed it moving to LA, and maybe they were better surgeons there but she didnt want to go bettyellen Feb 2018 #351

Makes no sense VivienneLove Feb 2018 #352

I think she was upset the cancer might be advanced and demanded proof of cancer bettyellen Feb 2018 #353

Right in the video VivienneLove Feb 2018 #354

Its unfortunate those asshole latched on to her and encouraged her to defame the doctors. They bettyellen Feb 2018 #355

Well, of course you can't diagnose cancer unless you do a biopsy. LisaL Feb 2018 #197

But they had the girl OPENED UP already and decided not to take it out. pnwmom Feb 2018 #218

Doing a biopsy on a Wilms tumor is a bad idea. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #195

Yea, I don't think it's good news that they didn't remove the kidney or the tumor when they opened LisaL Feb 2018 #198

It seems the mom wanted a guaranteed result before committing to surgery ... bettyellen Feb 2018 #214

But the surgeon, AFTER he opened her up, decided not to remove the kidney. pnwmom Feb 2018 #224

Many - proper - questions laserhaas Feb 2018 #231

The other kidney and abdominal wall are inspected and reviewed during the surgery... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #233

What I hated the most here was seeing so many people, based on so few facts, pnwmom Feb 2018 #235

educational post Dorian Gray Feb 2018 #347

And they are reportedly giving the child chemo-why? Just for fun? LisaL Feb 2018 #234

The mother is comfortable now with the better care the daughter is getting in LA. pnwmom Feb 2018 #237

+100 This is the key info sharedvalues Feb 2018 #327

Except the doctors opened her up and then decided NOT to remove the kidney! pnwmom Feb 2018 #162

They wanted to delay biopsy for a third opinion in Mexico. LA was the second opinion. bettyellen Feb 2018 #167

No. The parents wanted proof of cancer before removing the kidney. pnwmom Feb 2018 #168

Biopsying that sort of cancer can be very dangerous. Codeine Feb 2018 #169

I thought it was obvious the mass was so large they felt removal would likely be needed bettyellen Feb 2018 #171

I have zero sympathy for the mom. Codeine Feb 2018 #172

And whoever wrote it is lying about the hospital and claiming theyre human trafficking and bettyellen Feb 2018 #175

Wow, way to be judgmental. She has a child who could have cancer pnwmom Feb 2018 #226

I think most of the hateful banter, is due to the fact laserhaas Feb 2018 #232

Obviously not, since the UCLA hospital decided not to remove the kidney after all. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #192

I really don't think that's good news. LisaL Feb 2018 #200

Inoperable? Why? My father had kidney cancer, they diagnosed it, and then removed it. pnwmom Feb 2018 #202

Take a wild guess. LisaL Feb 2018 #203

It had spread already? Or worse, they feared mom would sue them? bettyellen Feb 2018 #208

That's what I am thinking. LisaL Feb 2018 #210

Was your father's cancer in both kidneys? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #219

That would make sense, wouldn't it? LisaL Feb 2018 #256

But UCLA didn't take out the kidney, once they opened her up. pnwmom Feb 2018 #193

And the parents claim weekend later not to know biopsy results. Liars. bettyellen Feb 2018 #196

The protocol calls for removal unless the tumor is discovered to be inoperable. LisaL Feb 2018 #294

She only ran into trouble trying to stop the surgery in LA though. She wanted to go to Mexico. bettyellen Feb 2018 #173

The mother was shocked when she got to LA and saw that they had already arranged pnwmom Feb 2018 #209

You assume the doctors didnt explain? And that the surgery was successful? Nope and nope. bettyellen Feb 2018 #220

Once they had her opened up, there was no reason not to remove the kidney IF she had cancer. pnwmom Feb 2018 #221

So you and Mom know better than the surgeons at UCLA and taking the kid home to die is their right? bettyellen Feb 2018 #223

No, I don't. But I'm not going to join the pile-on on the mother. The mother did NOT endanger pnwmom Feb 2018 #225

The mom is lying about not having a diagnosis and we know that much. bettyellen Feb 2018 #227

No, she isn't. They couldn't have a firm diagnosis till her lungs had been biopsied, pnwmom Feb 2018 #229

Agree.... laserhaas Feb 2018 #236

She said she knew nothing despite the biopsy of her kidney. And thats bullshit. bettyellen Feb 2018 #241

I didn't listen to the whole video so I don't know the context, but they were clearly trying to pnwmom Feb 2018 #244

You missed the part with her talking about taking the kid to Cali to die? bettyellen Feb 2018 #255

Normal people would be "hung up" on a $9500 cost to fly a child to LA pnwmom Feb 2018 #262

Keep ignoring that she said she was taking her home to die? Really now.... bettyellen Feb 2018 #273

She was freaking out based on the shock of what the doctors were telling her. But she was pnwmom Feb 2018 #277

Shes got a new fundraiser to stop the hospital from treating the child despite the cancer diagnosis bettyellen Feb 2018 #283

For the type of tumor suspected, biopsy isn't advised because it can spread the tumor. LisaL Feb 2018 #205

The plan was to remove the kidney and the tumor. Then they didn't. LisaL Feb 2018 #201

I think it could mean that they decided to just biopsy it. I don't think they saw pnwmom Feb 2018 #204

That's not what I think at all. LisaL Feb 2018 #207

A lot here doesn't make sense laserhaas Feb 2018 #216

I truly hope that child is okay and survives this Dorian Gray Feb 2018 #346

This makes sense based on what I've been reading about childhood kidney cancer. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #89

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #342

Thanks for sharing that information. If only their physician had communicated as well. :( n/t Doremus Feb 2018 #106

A friend of mine had a kidney removed during a gall bladder operation DFW Feb 2018 #345

Considering the source, and the fact that the only other report on this story The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #2

They DID get a second opinion and preserved their parental rights. They insisted on proof it bettyellen Feb 2018 #21

Where do you see they got a second opinion. laserhaas Feb 2018 #44

They were in Vegas where they found the lump, then they went to LA... bettyellen Feb 2018 #59

A biopsy is the first step to determine if there is a malignancy, so I am not understanding the still_one Feb 2018 #78

I don't find it hard to believe. Most kidney tumors are cancerous. LisaL Feb 2018 #88

Appreciate the perspective. I didn't follow the links, but within the OPs I didn't see anything still_one Feb 2018 #92

Agree. And in some cases a biopsy can cause more trouble. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #100

There is a post up thread that lays it out. xmas74 Feb 2018 #90

Thanks. I will look for it. I assume the pathology report on the removed kidney showed a still_one Feb 2018 #93

They said over 80 percent will be malignant. xmas74 Feb 2018 #95

That may be true, but a pathology report on the removed kidney would have had to be done, and all I still_one Feb 2018 #97

Im quite certain that would undermine Codeine Feb 2018 #99

I am not sure why I didn't think of the most obvious explanation. Thanks still_one Feb 2018 #103

they wouldn't be doing post operative chemo if it wasn't cancer. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #107

Apparently it is Wilms tumor, if you believe what is posted on facebook. LisaL Feb 2018 #326

The mother is very confused and trying to micromanage or avoid the surgery. bettyellen Feb 2018 #165

Stage four means cancer spread to lungs. From what is being claimed, there are spots found on child' LisaL Feb 2018 #213

It honestly seemed to be about the costs vs success of treatment. None of us get bettyellen Feb 2018 #217

I'm living proof that the lack of media attention is far laserhaas Feb 2018 #36

Google the names of the parents jberryhill Feb 2018 #52

very disturbing but... I think there is more to the story that we aren't getting... hlthe2b Feb 2018 #3

The parents dynamics has nothing to do with the case laserhaas Feb 2018 #37

It may only SEEM to be arbitrary & capricious... we are not getting the full story. hlthe2b Feb 2018 #70

Something's fishy dflprincess Feb 2018 #4

I most certainly would want a 2nd opine before subjecting my child to invasive surgery laserhaas Feb 2018 #38

They had the child flown to Los Angeles for a second opinion- a two day delay - bettyellen Feb 2018 #61

This story sounds off to me. Luciferous Feb 2018 #5

Why? laserhaas Feb 2018 #40

have we heard from the medical staff yet? Skittles Feb 2018 #51

Biopsy was weeks ago and no update.... hmm. Mom is a nut job who thought bettyellen Feb 2018 #62

Why would we? jberryhill Feb 2018 #111

LOL, Medical Kidnap.com? Gullible much? FSogol Feb 2018 #6

What would you call it, if it was your child? laserhaas Feb 2018 #7

It's a fake news site. Check out their other fake stories shown on snopes. FSogol Feb 2018 #8

Is this fake? laserhaas Feb 2018 #9

It could be. Anybody can put anything they want on Youtube. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #10

Could be laserhaas Feb 2018 #45

Seek help. n/t FSogol Feb 2018 #11

Yup. Snopes describes it as a "notoriously unreliable" alternative medicine site. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #14

If it was my kid I'd have contacted a lawyer, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #25

Remember Justina Pelletier? Hospitals do sometimes take custody of children pnwmom Feb 2018 #13

Concur.. William Windsor is the one who asked me to post laserhaas Feb 2018 #16

Be careful Laser, the unnamed hospital is coming for your kidneys! FSogol Feb 2018 #17

Fact check on "unnamed hospital" laserhaas Feb 2018 #24

Yeah, they're known for bball championships & stealing kidneys. FSogol Feb 2018 #29

Nobody needs kidneys with tumors on them. You can't transplant those. LisaL Feb 2018 #313

The article cited accuse them of experimenting on kids and human trafficking, LOL bettyellen Feb 2018 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #343

This site has put out other stories like this xmas74 Feb 2018 #12

It would be nice to think that hospitals never make mistakes, but we know they do. pnwmom Feb 2018 #15

Justina Pelletier's case was reported on extensively The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #18

Many people here didn't believe Pelletier's parents because the reporting pnwmom Feb 2018 #33

I find the rush to cruel judgment laserhaas Feb 2018 #41

As opposed to your rush to judgment mythology Feb 2018 #85

Many people here didnt believe Terri Schiavos parents - and dont jberryhill Feb 2018 #146

But this specific site is notorious for xmas74 Feb 2018 #30

Facts are facts...no matter what the repeating persons laserhaas Feb 2018 #42

Race, sex, color, and creed are not the issues; Codeine Feb 2018 #58

And the site is notorious for never stating xmas74 Feb 2018 #75

Is it a fact Mariana Feb 2018 #143

He wont respond. Codeine Feb 2018 #147

Doesnt everyone know that? jberryhill Feb 2018 #152

What's not yet part of the story laserhaas Feb 2018 #46

No one accepts this site as truth. xmas74 Feb 2018 #76

There are no other internet hits except linked to this story. I am very skeptical uppityperson Feb 2018 #19

I'm not! ...I trust Bill Windsor, who provided the story laserhaas Feb 2018 #20

WatF does that video tell us? Attention seeking mom doesnt seem focused on her kid at all. bettyellen Feb 2018 #22

Opinions vary laserhaas Feb 2018 #48

You know the truth is she wanted a third opinion- in Mexico bettyellen Feb 2018 #67

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #344

So? I could make a video "proving" I'd been abducted by aliens The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #26

You sound creative laserhaas Feb 2018 #50

Who the hell is Bill Windsor, and why should I believe him The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #28

Hey...move on... You have other things better to do laserhaas Feb 2018 #31

You said "Bill Windsor" can vouch for this story. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #32

I said Bill Windsor's word is good enough for me laserhaas Feb 2018 #34

Generally the standard should be 'is there evidence to prove it is true?' Chemisse Feb 2018 #81

Skeptism is one thing laserhaas Feb 2018 #82

I agree. Attacking without evidence to justify it is just as bad. n/t Chemisse Feb 2018 #84

It is very disconcerting laserhaas Feb 2018 #115

Hes a whole bag of crazy jberryhill Feb 2018 #54

Please stay on point with the case laserhaas Feb 2018 #124

Sorry, I may have missed your response, but who is Bill Windsor? SharonClark Feb 2018 #53

He is a certified vexatious litigant jberryhill Feb 2018 #55

Like judges never make rulings contrary to the law laserhaas Feb 2018 #117

If that occurs you appeal. You don't deluge the court with bullshit pleadings. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #118

Obviously you have never run into a rigged case laserhaas Feb 2018 #130

I'm a retired attorney and I once worked in a court system, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #151

Well...I'm not retired and there still is plenty wrongs amok laserhaas Feb 2018 #154

I'm not the one disagreeing with Windsor's "strategy," The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #157

The thing is - counselor - your banter and others here laserhaas Feb 2018 #158

You brought up Bill Windsor. We get to cross-examine you about him. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #159

Trialprocedure 101 ...I object! laserhaas Feb 2018 #163

By the way, arguments are made to do this, or that, or appeal. laserhaas Feb 2018 #161

OK, that was both incoherent and hilarious. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #166

Try this (though we are in the court of public opinion) laserhaas Feb 2018 #174

Did you actually read that case? The whole thing? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #177

Again..you - conveniently (much bias) - jump the point laserhaas Feb 2018 #182

100 page brief? jberryhill Feb 2018 #178

LOL, what ever happened to F. R. Civ. P. 8? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #179

Shows how disingenuous you are laserhaas Feb 2018 #238

I was referring to the last one you were yammering about on DU jberryhill Feb 2018 #249

If you would ever stop being so hateful and disigenuous laserhaas Feb 2018 #252

It is amazing that your hate towards me outweighs the laserhaas Feb 2018 #240

His results have been fairly consistent across judges jberryhill Feb 2018 #135

You may a great case about consistency laserhaas Feb 2018 #136

Bill Windsor bravely went to Grand Jury about bad judge laserhaas Feb 2018 #116

That's not how you deal with a "bad judge." And a judge isn't "bad" The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #119

That's your opinion. Windsor is not the issue. The facts are laserhaas Feb 2018 #121

The facts are entirely unknown Codeine Feb 2018 #125

What a crock laserhaas Feb 2018 #128

Really? How about the biopsy results. Codeine Feb 2018 #134

One (purported) fact laserhaas Feb 2018 #137

It most certainly brings the likelihood Codeine Feb 2018 #140

The company I keep are seekers of truth laserhaas Feb 2018 #148

Theyre certifiable nutbags Codeine Feb 2018 #149

The complete facts are not known because HIPAA rules prevent the doctors The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #141

I made Windsor an issue of source laserhaas Feb 2018 #153

Holy shit. Bill Windsor is as nutty as a shithouse rat. Codeine Feb 2018 #57

Yes, he is. A quick Google search revealed that his thing is suing people. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #102

It says something about the OP that Codeine Feb 2018 #104

Yes, it does. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #105

. jberryhill Feb 2018 #317

This message was self-deleted by its author .99center Feb 2018 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #27

It depends on what kind of second opinion they were seeking, doesn't it? hunter Feb 2018 #39

My concern is for the child laserhaas Feb 2018 #43

So is mine. hunter Feb 2018 #47

The mother 8s a legitimate source laserhaas Feb 2018 #49

Childhood kidney tumors are terrifying. hunter Feb 2018 #60

The issue is, 2nd opinion / options laserhaas Feb 2018 #129

When they took her from Nevada hospital to California hospital, they got the second opinion. LisaL Feb 2018 #199

They think the second opinion was the same because the doctors were friends bettyellen Feb 2018 #290

She says she has no diagnosis and then claims the kid had stage 4 cancer seconds later? She is bettyellen Feb 2018 #69

first doctor was going to remove KT2000 Feb 2018 #56

They flew the kid to LA for a second opinion. Read the story. bettyellen Feb 2018 #63

There just has to be more to the story. WillowTree Feb 2018 #64

The hospital is prohibited from discussing because of HIPAA regulations. grantcart Feb 2018 #65

What a bunch of cockamamie bullshit. Codeine Feb 2018 #66

According to the Steemit article, CPS threatened the parents laserhaas Feb 2018 #71

The child looks malnourished laserhaas Feb 2018 #72

She has a serious health issue. LisaL Feb 2018 #86

Quit shilling Steemit. Its a crypto-currency pyramid scheme Codeine Feb 2018 #98

Shilling implies I'm getting a benefit laserhaas Feb 2018 #131

You already said you were told to post this jberryhill Feb 2018 #184

Nobody "tells" me to do anything. Windsor and I laserhaas Feb 2018 #189

Yes, someone activated the Batshit Beacon jberryhill Feb 2018 #250

The child looks like she's receving chemotherapy for her cancer. nt. Mariana Feb 2018 #145

Per the mother's FB account, as of 17 hours ago laserhaas Feb 2018 #73

I would be careful with this story. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #74

The "lawyer" is probably the aforementioned William Windsor, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #112

Speaking of non-lawyers who are Codeine Feb 2018 #114

Its almost as if they have their own bar association jberryhill Feb 2018 #142

As long as there is a gold fringe on the flag Codeine Feb 2018 #144

Ah, you want to head up the Admiralty Law committee jberryhill Feb 2018 #150

Whatever gets me my $630,000 faster. nt Codeine Feb 2018 #155

Correct jberryhill Feb 2018 #138

What alternative treatments did she want to try on the child? LisaL Feb 2018 #83

Get this garbage off DU... SidDithers Feb 2018 #91

This. A thousand times this. Codeine Feb 2018 #94

I'm gonna go see if Dennis Gorski, or Steve Novella, has written about this case... SidDithers Feb 2018 #109

I made a comment about the site xmas74 Feb 2018 #96

It is less about not listening Codeine Feb 2018 #101

Exactly. xmas74 Feb 2018 #108

I stand with CPS Devil Child Feb 2018 #110

This Bill Windsor character has a hard-on Codeine Feb 2018 #113

He sounds like a kind of Orly Taitz. Remember her? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #120

Oh man, theres a name to forget. Codeine Feb 2018 #122

Yep VivienneLove Feb 2018 #350

How nice you've found new conspiracy theories that don't involve Mitt Romney stealing your toys! tritsofme Feb 2018 #123

Snerk!!! Codeine Feb 2018 #126

They are not theories laserhaas Feb 2018 #132

There are so many red flags in the mommy's account of things it's hard to keep them straight... Hekate Feb 2018 #230

I'm more sympathetic to her than you are and maybe it's because I used to have to spend pnwmom Feb 2018 #242

What are the medical standards in Mexico? LisaL Feb 2018 #246

It would depend on the hospital. Nevada's rank 46th among the states here, pnwmom Feb 2018 #247

Nevada isn't where she lost custody. LisaL Feb 2018 #251

The initial doctor in LA was a friend of the doctor in NV, and probably influenced by his opinion. pnwmom Feb 2018 #258

Are you suggesting they should have let her to take her child to Mexico? LisaL Feb 2018 #278

If that was a credentialed pediatric oncologist at a good hospital -- YES. pnwmom Feb 2018 #280

Those horrible child welfare people got her set up with insurance for the kid, so she didnt have to bettyellen Feb 2018 #295

Yes, the parents might have thought of Mexico as a way to pay for care they couldn't afford. pnwmom Feb 2018 #296

She was running from help at every turn, sadly she thought she should be micromanaging cancer treat bettyellen Feb 2018 #299

Asking to have blood tests done before removing a major organ isn't micro-managing. pnwmom Feb 2018 #302

When complained about the scar size, the fact hat hey changed the plan during surgery, and now she bettyellen Feb 2018 #303

Have you ever had any surgery? Of course the incision size is important. pnwmom Feb 2018 #304

Do you have any proof that the doctor in Nevada couldn't do the procedure? LisaL Feb 2018 #307

If it was Wilms, they wouldn't have needed to open her up, because the aim then would have been pnwmom Feb 2018 #308

What? LisaL Feb 2018 #309

Didn't you notice that they decided not to remove the kidney after all? pnwmom Feb 2018 #311

Again, the reason they didn't remove it are very likely not good ones for the child. LisaL Feb 2018 #312

That's true. And that's another reason they were better off that the surgery was moved pnwmom Feb 2018 #314

Youve probably already read that generally biopsies are dangerous on the type of cancers she had bettyellen Feb 2018 #310

She was SMART to doctor shop. It would have been STUPID to have that surgery done in Nevada. pnwmom Feb 2018 #315

It would have been stupid for them to let her leave LA when she was shopping for a no surgery bettyellen Feb 2018 #316

You appear to be someone who worships at the feet of doctors. I don't. I recognize pnwmom Feb 2018 #318

Nope, Im someone who has had family behave like this woman and try to outsmart doctors when she bettyellen Feb 2018 #321

There are two childrens hospitals in Las Vegas tammywammy Feb 2018 #322

Neither of them are national cancer centers. Nevada hospitals rank 46/50 in the country pnwmom Feb 2018 #324

Y0u can be dissing Nevada's hospitals all day long. LisaL Feb 2018 #325

The person I was responding to was talking about Nevada hospitals. But her trouble DID pnwmom Feb 2018 #329

I understand leaving Nevada for UCLA, but I still see red flags in this story as first presented... Hekate Feb 2018 #289

The thing that bothered me the most is that so many were judging the mother pnwmom Feb 2018 #292

Heh jberryhill Feb 2018 #139

+1... SidDithers Feb 2018 #160

I learned long ago not to wrestle with a pig. Lisa0825 Feb 2018 #183

Personal attacks are supposed to be avoided here. I'm going to assume you didn't know that.nt pnwmom Feb 2018 #239

This person usually posts about Romney stealing his toys, it's nice to see he has new interests. tritsofme Feb 2018 #245

My interest in bringing down Romney/ Bain Cap etc., laserhaas Feb 2018 #248

This story is also covered on the "Proof The Bible Is True" site so you know it's legit! Kaleva Feb 2018 #127

The issues here, are parental rights to be informed and choices laserhaas Feb 2018 #133

Quit pedaling nutbag conspiracy fake news stories here on DU. LAGC Feb 2018 #187

Nobody is doing "nutbag" stuff...other than ad hominem attackers laserhaas Feb 2018 #190

Your source you cited is a known fake news site, LAGC Feb 2018 #191

Her FB and YouTube are not fake laserhaas Feb 2018 #212

How do you know? LAGC Feb 2018 #222

Because this guy vouched for it jberryhill Feb 2018 #319

Ah, the source of authority. LAGC Feb 2018 #320

This situation was apparently resolved more than a week ago, because this was the mother's pnwmom Feb 2018 #228

This Teddy Rosevelt speech holds true 100 years later laserhaas Feb 2018 #243

There are many instances of CPS & Dr. overreach laserhaas Feb 2018 #253

Here is another case apropos laserhaas Feb 2018 #254

The author of that article xmas74 Feb 2018 #270

So many reputable sources from this poster. Codeine Feb 2018 #272

I know! xmas74 Feb 2018 #276

Passed this story along to a friend who is a retired xmas74 Feb 2018 #257

This is a good post, in a fucking train-wreck of a thread... SidDithers Feb 2018 #259

Yes Hekate Feb 2018 #291

Your nurse friend is obviously only familiar with GOOD hospitals, pnwmom Feb 2018 #260

Can't trust opines from cheap seats who have nothing to lose laserhaas Feb 2018 #263

She said it's the child who will lose. xmas74 Feb 2018 #266

My friend started her career in Nevada xmas74 Feb 2018 #264

Missouri ranks 22 in hospital safety, compared to 46 in Nevada. pnwmom Feb 2018 #267

It depends on the hospital. xmas74 Feb 2018 #268

Then if Missouri is middling for hospitals, imagine how bad hospitals in a state ranked 46th must be pnwmom Feb 2018 #269

As I said, a couple of hospitals made up xmas74 Feb 2018 #271

Add that the mom was talking about taking her home to die before the operation and it appears she bettyellen Feb 2018 #261

My friend said every so often you'd catch a grifter xmas74 Feb 2018 #265

Of course they have a fundraiser and mixed stories on FB- denying they wouldnt allow care while bettyellen Feb 2018 #274

I hope so too. xmas74 Feb 2018 #275

You keep acting like $9500 for an unnecessary medical flight is nothing. pnwmom Feb 2018 #279

Do you believe that if child was released to them to drive, they would for sure show up at the UCLA? LisaL Feb 2018 #281

Yes. Because they didn't realize that the surgery had been scheduled till they got there. pnwmom Feb 2018 #282

Their FB fundraiser is to get custody and withdraw from treatement. So nope. bettyellen Feb 2018 #285

That is NOT what their FB page says. And the treatment for the child has NOT been delayed. pnwmom Feb 2018 #287

The fundraiser is called Save Grace AB from UCLA Hospital and its new so.... bettyellen Feb 2018 #288

The money is for them to fight in court and stop treatment. Thats their FB pitch.... bettyellen Feb 2018 #284

Another case - in California - similar laserhaas Feb 2018 #293

Another source after the records were released tammywammy Feb 2018 #301

More bullshit half-truths from the OP. Codeine Feb 2018 #305

The real story here is that there is a chance these parents effectively killed their child. stevenleser Feb 2018 #297

I've shared this with a few friends. xmas74 Feb 2018 #298

Insurance likely wouldn't cover transfer because it wouldn't be considered necessary. LisaL Feb 2018 #306

She said they had CHIP cover one a few years ago xmas74 Feb 2018 #323

My understanding that when child showed up in Nevada, she wasn't signed up for insurance. LisaL Feb 2018 #328

I think some of it would depend on the state. xmas74 Feb 2018 #330

Ok...unless we missed something in the conversation... VivienneLove Feb 2018 #333

Yes, you have the wrong idea of what the situation was. LisaL Feb 2018 #336

I don't bother with questionable websites. LiberalFighter Feb 2018 #300

Tragic and disturbing VivienneLove Feb 2018 #331

This is one of the most compassionate, comprehensive laserhaas Feb 2018 #332

Except it's not accurate at all. LisaL Feb 2018 #334

Noted VivienneLove Feb 2018 #337

This is absolutely not accurate representation of the situation. LisaL Feb 2018 #335

I suppose then... VivienneLove Feb 2018 #338

Hospital in NV wasn't going to cover the trip, since they weren't the ones demanding the transfer. LisaL Feb 2018 #339

It sounds like... VivienneLove Feb 2018 #340

Upon a quick google search I came upon this.. VivienneLove Feb 2018 #349

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