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Hassin Bin Sober

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233. The other kidney and abdominal wall are inspected and reviewed during the surgery...

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 07:26 PM

Feb 2018

If both kidneys are involved they leave both kidneys in tact in hopes of saving as much renal tissue as possible.

That's most likely what happened.

At this point an interoperative examination of the tissue is done ( as Tumor spillage is now a moot point). Then a chemo and radiation plan is mapped out based on the exact typing of the cancer.

I think the family, and people here, are getting hung up on doing the surgery without a biopsy. Everyone assumes every cancer gets a biopsy. That's how it's done with these types of cancer. In fact a person who has a biopsy gets automatically bumped from stage 1 to stage 3 and has to undergo abdominal radiation they may not have needed if the stage one cancer was removed in tact with the kidney.
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Here's how it goes:

Imaging and clinical examination leads to a diagnosis of a Wilms Tumor

No biopsy is done in hopes the cancer hasn't spread. (Assuming imaging doesn't show both kidneys involved)

Resection of the kidney is the best course of action.

During surgery the other kidney and abdominal wall are inspected for evidence of cancer. If eveidence of cancer shows up in the other kidney, the removal is called off as retention of any healthy renal tissue is now paramount. Now chemo and radiation is the only option.

If no other involvement is found during surgery, the affected kidney is removed and tested outside the body for malignancy.

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The best thing this kid could have hoped for would have been the removal of a non cancerous kidney and some doctors with egg on their faces.

The next best would be a removal of the kidney with a completely contained tumor not ruptured by biopsy, inadvertent surgical spillage, or naturally rupturing on it's own.

The least favorable is the surgeon finding bilateral involvement and closing her back up with now two cancerous kidneys. Now she is in for a lot of chemo and radiation.

The prognosis doesn't sound good.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] laserhaas Feb 2018 OP

I cannot believe they did surgery and did not diagnose the kidney. WatF is this website? bettyellen Feb 2018 #1

The website is not the story. laserhaas Feb 2018 #35

I don't believe this story as styled.* Wait for Hortensis Feb 2018 #181

I had a kidney removed without a definite diagnosis csziggy Feb 2018 #77

Good post. JNelson6563 Feb 2018 #79

Thank you csziggy Feb 2018 #80

From what I can gather, kidney masses in young children are likely cancerous as well. LisaL Feb 2018 #87

In the video, the woman says its stage four cancer and that they have no diagnosis- bettyellen Feb 2018 #156

The article says this: pnwmom Feb 2018 #164

Since the mass was large they were preparing the family for the likihood of removal- there is also bettyellen Feb 2018 #170

It's a 4 hour drive between Las Vegas and Los Angeles, which would have been faster pnwmom Feb 2018 #176

Youre skipping over the part where they get to LA and they still do not want surgery thats been bettyellen Feb 2018 #180

They didn't want the open surgery without a biopsy first. And they were shocked to see pnwmom Feb 2018 #185

But they didnt want another American doctor. And there was a biopsy done but they claim they still bettyellen Feb 2018 #186

I don't blame them for not trusting American doctors after what they'd been put through. pnwmom Feb 2018 #188

She lied about what they put her through . They needed to make sure that kid was going to a doctor bettyellen Feb 2018 #194

How do you know she lied? That's the same thing people were saying pnwmom Feb 2018 #206

When they talked about taking her home to die is when you trust thats exactly what they might do. bettyellen Feb 2018 #211

Concur...Nothing was imminent death threatening laserhaas Feb 2018 #215

Its spread to her lungs as they suspected. So any delay in treatment was dangerous. They believe bettyellen Feb 2018 #286

But why.... VivienneLove Feb 2018 #348

The mom delayed it moving to LA, and maybe they were better surgeons there but she didnt want to go bettyellen Feb 2018 #351

Makes no sense VivienneLove Feb 2018 #352

I think she was upset the cancer might be advanced and demanded proof of cancer bettyellen Feb 2018 #353

Right in the video VivienneLove Feb 2018 #354

Its unfortunate those asshole latched on to her and encouraged her to defame the doctors. They bettyellen Feb 2018 #355

Well, of course you can't diagnose cancer unless you do a biopsy. LisaL Feb 2018 #197

But they had the girl OPENED UP already and decided not to take it out. pnwmom Feb 2018 #218

Doing a biopsy on a Wilms tumor is a bad idea. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #195

Yea, I don't think it's good news that they didn't remove the kidney or the tumor when they opened LisaL Feb 2018 #198

It seems the mom wanted a guaranteed result before committing to surgery ... bettyellen Feb 2018 #214

But the surgeon, AFTER he opened her up, decided not to remove the kidney. pnwmom Feb 2018 #224

Many - proper - questions laserhaas Feb 2018 #231

The other kidney and abdominal wall are inspected and reviewed during the surgery... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #233

What I hated the most here was seeing so many people, based on so few facts, pnwmom Feb 2018 #235

educational post Dorian Gray Feb 2018 #347

And they are reportedly giving the child chemo-why? Just for fun? LisaL Feb 2018 #234

The mother is comfortable now with the better care the daughter is getting in LA. pnwmom Feb 2018 #237

+100 This is the key info sharedvalues Feb 2018 #327

Except the doctors opened her up and then decided NOT to remove the kidney! pnwmom Feb 2018 #162

They wanted to delay biopsy for a third opinion in Mexico. LA was the second opinion. bettyellen Feb 2018 #167

No. The parents wanted proof of cancer before removing the kidney. pnwmom Feb 2018 #168

Biopsying that sort of cancer can be very dangerous. Codeine Feb 2018 #169

I thought it was obvious the mass was so large they felt removal would likely be needed bettyellen Feb 2018 #171

I have zero sympathy for the mom. Codeine Feb 2018 #172

And whoever wrote it is lying about the hospital and claiming theyre human trafficking and bettyellen Feb 2018 #175

Wow, way to be judgmental. She has a child who could have cancer pnwmom Feb 2018 #226

I think most of the hateful banter, is due to the fact laserhaas Feb 2018 #232

Obviously not, since the UCLA hospital decided not to remove the kidney after all. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #192

I really don't think that's good news. LisaL Feb 2018 #200

Inoperable? Why? My father had kidney cancer, they diagnosed it, and then removed it. pnwmom Feb 2018 #202

Take a wild guess. LisaL Feb 2018 #203

It had spread already? Or worse, they feared mom would sue them? bettyellen Feb 2018 #208

That's what I am thinking. LisaL Feb 2018 #210

Was your father's cancer in both kidneys? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #219

That would make sense, wouldn't it? LisaL Feb 2018 #256

But UCLA didn't take out the kidney, once they opened her up. pnwmom Feb 2018 #193

And the parents claim weekend later not to know biopsy results. Liars. bettyellen Feb 2018 #196

The protocol calls for removal unless the tumor is discovered to be inoperable. LisaL Feb 2018 #294

She only ran into trouble trying to stop the surgery in LA though. She wanted to go to Mexico. bettyellen Feb 2018 #173

The mother was shocked when she got to LA and saw that they had already arranged pnwmom Feb 2018 #209

You assume the doctors didnt explain? And that the surgery was successful? Nope and nope. bettyellen Feb 2018 #220

Once they had her opened up, there was no reason not to remove the kidney IF she had cancer. pnwmom Feb 2018 #221

So you and Mom know better than the surgeons at UCLA and taking the kid home to die is their right? bettyellen Feb 2018 #223

No, I don't. But I'm not going to join the pile-on on the mother. The mother did NOT endanger pnwmom Feb 2018 #225

The mom is lying about not having a diagnosis and we know that much. bettyellen Feb 2018 #227

No, she isn't. They couldn't have a firm diagnosis till her lungs had been biopsied, pnwmom Feb 2018 #229

Agree.... laserhaas Feb 2018 #236

She said she knew nothing despite the biopsy of her kidney. And thats bullshit. bettyellen Feb 2018 #241

I didn't listen to the whole video so I don't know the context, but they were clearly trying to pnwmom Feb 2018 #244

You missed the part with her talking about taking the kid to Cali to die? bettyellen Feb 2018 #255

Normal people would be "hung up" on a $9500 cost to fly a child to LA pnwmom Feb 2018 #262

Keep ignoring that she said she was taking her home to die? Really now.... bettyellen Feb 2018 #273

She was freaking out based on the shock of what the doctors were telling her. But she was pnwmom Feb 2018 #277

Shes got a new fundraiser to stop the hospital from treating the child despite the cancer diagnosis bettyellen Feb 2018 #283

For the type of tumor suspected, biopsy isn't advised because it can spread the tumor. LisaL Feb 2018 #205

The plan was to remove the kidney and the tumor. Then they didn't. LisaL Feb 2018 #201

I think it could mean that they decided to just biopsy it. I don't think they saw pnwmom Feb 2018 #204

That's not what I think at all. LisaL Feb 2018 #207

A lot here doesn't make sense laserhaas Feb 2018 #216

I truly hope that child is okay and survives this Dorian Gray Feb 2018 #346

This makes sense based on what I've been reading about childhood kidney cancer. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #89

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #342

Thanks for sharing that information. If only their physician had communicated as well. :( n/t Doremus Feb 2018 #106

A friend of mine had a kidney removed during a gall bladder operation DFW Feb 2018 #345

Considering the source, and the fact that the only other report on this story The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #2

They DID get a second opinion and preserved their parental rights. They insisted on proof it bettyellen Feb 2018 #21

Where do you see they got a second opinion. laserhaas Feb 2018 #44

They were in Vegas where they found the lump, then they went to LA... bettyellen Feb 2018 #59

A biopsy is the first step to determine if there is a malignancy, so I am not understanding the still_one Feb 2018 #78

I don't find it hard to believe. Most kidney tumors are cancerous. LisaL Feb 2018 #88

Appreciate the perspective. I didn't follow the links, but within the OPs I didn't see anything still_one Feb 2018 #92

Agree. And in some cases a biopsy can cause more trouble. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #100

There is a post up thread that lays it out. xmas74 Feb 2018 #90

Thanks. I will look for it. I assume the pathology report on the removed kidney showed a still_one Feb 2018 #93

They said over 80 percent will be malignant. xmas74 Feb 2018 #95

That may be true, but a pathology report on the removed kidney would have had to be done, and all I still_one Feb 2018 #97

Im quite certain that would undermine Codeine Feb 2018 #99

I am not sure why I didn't think of the most obvious explanation. Thanks still_one Feb 2018 #103

they wouldn't be doing post operative chemo if it wasn't cancer. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #107

Apparently it is Wilms tumor, if you believe what is posted on facebook. LisaL Feb 2018 #326

The mother is very confused and trying to micromanage or avoid the surgery. bettyellen Feb 2018 #165

Stage four means cancer spread to lungs. From what is being claimed, there are spots found on child' LisaL Feb 2018 #213

It honestly seemed to be about the costs vs success of treatment. None of us get bettyellen Feb 2018 #217

I'm living proof that the lack of media attention is far laserhaas Feb 2018 #36

Google the names of the parents jberryhill Feb 2018 #52

very disturbing but... I think there is more to the story that we aren't getting... hlthe2b Feb 2018 #3

The parents dynamics has nothing to do with the case laserhaas Feb 2018 #37

It may only SEEM to be arbitrary & capricious... we are not getting the full story. hlthe2b Feb 2018 #70

Something's fishy dflprincess Feb 2018 #4

I most certainly would want a 2nd opine before subjecting my child to invasive surgery laserhaas Feb 2018 #38

They had the child flown to Los Angeles for a second opinion- a two day delay - bettyellen Feb 2018 #61

This story sounds off to me. Luciferous Feb 2018 #5

Why? laserhaas Feb 2018 #40

have we heard from the medical staff yet? Skittles Feb 2018 #51

Biopsy was weeks ago and no update.... hmm. Mom is a nut job who thought bettyellen Feb 2018 #62

Why would we? jberryhill Feb 2018 #111

LOL, Medical Kidnap.com? Gullible much? FSogol Feb 2018 #6

What would you call it, if it was your child? laserhaas Feb 2018 #7

It's a fake news site. Check out their other fake stories shown on snopes. FSogol Feb 2018 #8

Is this fake? laserhaas Feb 2018 #9

It could be. Anybody can put anything they want on Youtube. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #10

Could be laserhaas Feb 2018 #45

Seek help. n/t FSogol Feb 2018 #11

Yup. Snopes describes it as a "notoriously unreliable" alternative medicine site. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #14

If it was my kid I'd have contacted a lawyer, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #25

Remember Justina Pelletier? Hospitals do sometimes take custody of children pnwmom Feb 2018 #13

Concur.. William Windsor is the one who asked me to post laserhaas Feb 2018 #16

Be careful Laser, the unnamed hospital is coming for your kidneys! FSogol Feb 2018 #17

Fact check on "unnamed hospital" laserhaas Feb 2018 #24

Yeah, they're known for bball championships & stealing kidneys. FSogol Feb 2018 #29

Nobody needs kidneys with tumors on them. You can't transplant those. LisaL Feb 2018 #313

The article cited accuse them of experimenting on kids and human trafficking, LOL bettyellen Feb 2018 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #343

This site has put out other stories like this xmas74 Feb 2018 #12

It would be nice to think that hospitals never make mistakes, but we know they do. pnwmom Feb 2018 #15

Justina Pelletier's case was reported on extensively The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #18

Many people here didn't believe Pelletier's parents because the reporting pnwmom Feb 2018 #33

I find the rush to cruel judgment laserhaas Feb 2018 #41

As opposed to your rush to judgment mythology Feb 2018 #85

Many people here didnt believe Terri Schiavos parents - and dont jberryhill Feb 2018 #146

But this specific site is notorious for xmas74 Feb 2018 #30

Facts are facts...no matter what the repeating persons laserhaas Feb 2018 #42

Race, sex, color, and creed are not the issues; Codeine Feb 2018 #58

And the site is notorious for never stating xmas74 Feb 2018 #75

Is it a fact Mariana Feb 2018 #143

He wont respond. Codeine Feb 2018 #147

Doesnt everyone know that? jberryhill Feb 2018 #152

What's not yet part of the story laserhaas Feb 2018 #46

No one accepts this site as truth. xmas74 Feb 2018 #76

There are no other internet hits except linked to this story. I am very skeptical uppityperson Feb 2018 #19

I'm not! ...I trust Bill Windsor, who provided the story laserhaas Feb 2018 #20

WatF does that video tell us? Attention seeking mom doesnt seem focused on her kid at all. bettyellen Feb 2018 #22

Opinions vary laserhaas Feb 2018 #48

You know the truth is she wanted a third opinion- in Mexico bettyellen Feb 2018 #67

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #344

So? I could make a video "proving" I'd been abducted by aliens The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #26

You sound creative laserhaas Feb 2018 #50

Who the hell is Bill Windsor, and why should I believe him The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #28

Hey...move on... You have other things better to do laserhaas Feb 2018 #31

You said "Bill Windsor" can vouch for this story. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #32

I said Bill Windsor's word is good enough for me laserhaas Feb 2018 #34

Generally the standard should be 'is there evidence to prove it is true?' Chemisse Feb 2018 #81

Skeptism is one thing laserhaas Feb 2018 #82

I agree. Attacking without evidence to justify it is just as bad. n/t Chemisse Feb 2018 #84

It is very disconcerting laserhaas Feb 2018 #115

Hes a whole bag of crazy jberryhill Feb 2018 #54

Please stay on point with the case laserhaas Feb 2018 #124

Sorry, I may have missed your response, but who is Bill Windsor? SharonClark Feb 2018 #53

He is a certified vexatious litigant jberryhill Feb 2018 #55

Like judges never make rulings contrary to the law laserhaas Feb 2018 #117

If that occurs you appeal. You don't deluge the court with bullshit pleadings. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #118

Obviously you have never run into a rigged case laserhaas Feb 2018 #130

I'm a retired attorney and I once worked in a court system, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #151

Well...I'm not retired and there still is plenty wrongs amok laserhaas Feb 2018 #154

I'm not the one disagreeing with Windsor's "strategy," The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #157

The thing is - counselor - your banter and others here laserhaas Feb 2018 #158

You brought up Bill Windsor. We get to cross-examine you about him. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #159

Trialprocedure 101 ...I object! laserhaas Feb 2018 #163

By the way, arguments are made to do this, or that, or appeal. laserhaas Feb 2018 #161

OK, that was both incoherent and hilarious. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #166

Try this (though we are in the court of public opinion) laserhaas Feb 2018 #174

Did you actually read that case? The whole thing? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #177

Again..you - conveniently (much bias) - jump the point laserhaas Feb 2018 #182

100 page brief? jberryhill Feb 2018 #178

LOL, what ever happened to F. R. Civ. P. 8? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #179

Shows how disingenuous you are laserhaas Feb 2018 #238

I was referring to the last one you were yammering about on DU jberryhill Feb 2018 #249

If you would ever stop being so hateful and disigenuous laserhaas Feb 2018 #252

It is amazing that your hate towards me outweighs the laserhaas Feb 2018 #240

His results have been fairly consistent across judges jberryhill Feb 2018 #135

You may a great case about consistency laserhaas Feb 2018 #136

Bill Windsor bravely went to Grand Jury about bad judge laserhaas Feb 2018 #116

That's not how you deal with a "bad judge." And a judge isn't "bad" The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #119

That's your opinion. Windsor is not the issue. The facts are laserhaas Feb 2018 #121

The facts are entirely unknown Codeine Feb 2018 #125

What a crock laserhaas Feb 2018 #128

Really? How about the biopsy results. Codeine Feb 2018 #134

One (purported) fact laserhaas Feb 2018 #137

It most certainly brings the likelihood Codeine Feb 2018 #140

The company I keep are seekers of truth laserhaas Feb 2018 #148

Theyre certifiable nutbags Codeine Feb 2018 #149

The complete facts are not known because HIPAA rules prevent the doctors The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #141

I made Windsor an issue of source laserhaas Feb 2018 #153

Holy shit. Bill Windsor is as nutty as a shithouse rat. Codeine Feb 2018 #57

Yes, he is. A quick Google search revealed that his thing is suing people. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #102

It says something about the OP that Codeine Feb 2018 #104

Yes, it does. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #105

. jberryhill Feb 2018 #317

This message was self-deleted by its author .99center Feb 2018 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #27

It depends on what kind of second opinion they were seeking, doesn't it? hunter Feb 2018 #39

My concern is for the child laserhaas Feb 2018 #43

So is mine. hunter Feb 2018 #47

The mother 8s a legitimate source laserhaas Feb 2018 #49

Childhood kidney tumors are terrifying. hunter Feb 2018 #60

The issue is, 2nd opinion / options laserhaas Feb 2018 #129

When they took her from Nevada hospital to California hospital, they got the second opinion. LisaL Feb 2018 #199

They think the second opinion was the same because the doctors were friends bettyellen Feb 2018 #290

She says she has no diagnosis and then claims the kid had stage 4 cancer seconds later? She is bettyellen Feb 2018 #69

first doctor was going to remove KT2000 Feb 2018 #56

They flew the kid to LA for a second opinion. Read the story. bettyellen Feb 2018 #63

There just has to be more to the story. WillowTree Feb 2018 #64

The hospital is prohibited from discussing because of HIPAA regulations. grantcart Feb 2018 #65

What a bunch of cockamamie bullshit. Codeine Feb 2018 #66

According to the Steemit article, CPS threatened the parents laserhaas Feb 2018 #71

The child looks malnourished laserhaas Feb 2018 #72

She has a serious health issue. LisaL Feb 2018 #86

Quit shilling Steemit. Its a crypto-currency pyramid scheme Codeine Feb 2018 #98

Shilling implies I'm getting a benefit laserhaas Feb 2018 #131

You already said you were told to post this jberryhill Feb 2018 #184

Nobody "tells" me to do anything. Windsor and I laserhaas Feb 2018 #189

Yes, someone activated the Batshit Beacon jberryhill Feb 2018 #250

The child looks like she's receving chemotherapy for her cancer. nt. Mariana Feb 2018 #145

Per the mother's FB account, as of 17 hours ago laserhaas Feb 2018 #73

I would be careful with this story. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #74

The "lawyer" is probably the aforementioned William Windsor, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #112

Speaking of non-lawyers who are Codeine Feb 2018 #114

Its almost as if they have their own bar association jberryhill Feb 2018 #142

As long as there is a gold fringe on the flag Codeine Feb 2018 #144

Ah, you want to head up the Admiralty Law committee jberryhill Feb 2018 #150

Whatever gets me my $630,000 faster. nt Codeine Feb 2018 #155

Correct jberryhill Feb 2018 #138

What alternative treatments did she want to try on the child? LisaL Feb 2018 #83

Get this garbage off DU... SidDithers Feb 2018 #91

This. A thousand times this. Codeine Feb 2018 #94

I'm gonna go see if Dennis Gorski, or Steve Novella, has written about this case... SidDithers Feb 2018 #109

I made a comment about the site xmas74 Feb 2018 #96

It is less about not listening Codeine Feb 2018 #101

Exactly. xmas74 Feb 2018 #108

I stand with CPS Devil Child Feb 2018 #110

This Bill Windsor character has a hard-on Codeine Feb 2018 #113

He sounds like a kind of Orly Taitz. Remember her? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #120

Oh man, theres a name to forget. Codeine Feb 2018 #122

Yep VivienneLove Feb 2018 #350

How nice you've found new conspiracy theories that don't involve Mitt Romney stealing your toys! tritsofme Feb 2018 #123

Snerk!!! Codeine Feb 2018 #126

They are not theories laserhaas Feb 2018 #132

There are so many red flags in the mommy's account of things it's hard to keep them straight... Hekate Feb 2018 #230

I'm more sympathetic to her than you are and maybe it's because I used to have to spend pnwmom Feb 2018 #242

What are the medical standards in Mexico? LisaL Feb 2018 #246

It would depend on the hospital. Nevada's rank 46th among the states here, pnwmom Feb 2018 #247

Nevada isn't where she lost custody. LisaL Feb 2018 #251

The initial doctor in LA was a friend of the doctor in NV, and probably influenced by his opinion. pnwmom Feb 2018 #258

Are you suggesting they should have let her to take her child to Mexico? LisaL Feb 2018 #278

If that was a credentialed pediatric oncologist at a good hospital -- YES. pnwmom Feb 2018 #280

Those horrible child welfare people got her set up with insurance for the kid, so she didnt have to bettyellen Feb 2018 #295

Yes, the parents might have thought of Mexico as a way to pay for care they couldn't afford. pnwmom Feb 2018 #296

She was running from help at every turn, sadly she thought she should be micromanaging cancer treat bettyellen Feb 2018 #299

Asking to have blood tests done before removing a major organ isn't micro-managing. pnwmom Feb 2018 #302

When complained about the scar size, the fact hat hey changed the plan during surgery, and now she bettyellen Feb 2018 #303

Have you ever had any surgery? Of course the incision size is important. pnwmom Feb 2018 #304

Do you have any proof that the doctor in Nevada couldn't do the procedure? LisaL Feb 2018 #307

If it was Wilms, they wouldn't have needed to open her up, because the aim then would have been pnwmom Feb 2018 #308

What? LisaL Feb 2018 #309

Didn't you notice that they decided not to remove the kidney after all? pnwmom Feb 2018 #311

Again, the reason they didn't remove it are very likely not good ones for the child. LisaL Feb 2018 #312

That's true. And that's another reason they were better off that the surgery was moved pnwmom Feb 2018 #314

Youve probably already read that generally biopsies are dangerous on the type of cancers she had bettyellen Feb 2018 #310

She was SMART to doctor shop. It would have been STUPID to have that surgery done in Nevada. pnwmom Feb 2018 #315

It would have been stupid for them to let her leave LA when she was shopping for a no surgery bettyellen Feb 2018 #316

You appear to be someone who worships at the feet of doctors. I don't. I recognize pnwmom Feb 2018 #318

Nope, Im someone who has had family behave like this woman and try to outsmart doctors when she bettyellen Feb 2018 #321

There are two childrens hospitals in Las Vegas tammywammy Feb 2018 #322

Neither of them are national cancer centers. Nevada hospitals rank 46/50 in the country pnwmom Feb 2018 #324

Y0u can be dissing Nevada's hospitals all day long. LisaL Feb 2018 #325

The person I was responding to was talking about Nevada hospitals. But her trouble DID pnwmom Feb 2018 #329

I understand leaving Nevada for UCLA, but I still see red flags in this story as first presented... Hekate Feb 2018 #289

The thing that bothered me the most is that so many were judging the mother pnwmom Feb 2018 #292

Heh jberryhill Feb 2018 #139

+1... SidDithers Feb 2018 #160

I learned long ago not to wrestle with a pig. Lisa0825 Feb 2018 #183

Personal attacks are supposed to be avoided here. I'm going to assume you didn't know that.nt pnwmom Feb 2018 #239

This person usually posts about Romney stealing his toys, it's nice to see he has new interests. tritsofme Feb 2018 #245

My interest in bringing down Romney/ Bain Cap etc., laserhaas Feb 2018 #248

This story is also covered on the "Proof The Bible Is True" site so you know it's legit! Kaleva Feb 2018 #127

The issues here, are parental rights to be informed and choices laserhaas Feb 2018 #133

Quit pedaling nutbag conspiracy fake news stories here on DU. LAGC Feb 2018 #187

Nobody is doing "nutbag" stuff...other than ad hominem attackers laserhaas Feb 2018 #190

Your source you cited is a known fake news site, LAGC Feb 2018 #191

Her FB and YouTube are not fake laserhaas Feb 2018 #212

How do you know? LAGC Feb 2018 #222

Because this guy vouched for it jberryhill Feb 2018 #319

Ah, the source of authority. LAGC Feb 2018 #320

This situation was apparently resolved more than a week ago, because this was the mother's pnwmom Feb 2018 #228

This Teddy Rosevelt speech holds true 100 years later laserhaas Feb 2018 #243

There are many instances of CPS & Dr. overreach laserhaas Feb 2018 #253

Here is another case apropos laserhaas Feb 2018 #254

The author of that article xmas74 Feb 2018 #270

So many reputable sources from this poster. Codeine Feb 2018 #272

I know! xmas74 Feb 2018 #276

Passed this story along to a friend who is a retired xmas74 Feb 2018 #257

This is a good post, in a fucking train-wreck of a thread... SidDithers Feb 2018 #259

Yes Hekate Feb 2018 #291

Your nurse friend is obviously only familiar with GOOD hospitals, pnwmom Feb 2018 #260

Can't trust opines from cheap seats who have nothing to lose laserhaas Feb 2018 #263

She said it's the child who will lose. xmas74 Feb 2018 #266

My friend started her career in Nevada xmas74 Feb 2018 #264

Missouri ranks 22 in hospital safety, compared to 46 in Nevada. pnwmom Feb 2018 #267

It depends on the hospital. xmas74 Feb 2018 #268

Then if Missouri is middling for hospitals, imagine how bad hospitals in a state ranked 46th must be pnwmom Feb 2018 #269

As I said, a couple of hospitals made up xmas74 Feb 2018 #271

Add that the mom was talking about taking her home to die before the operation and it appears she bettyellen Feb 2018 #261

My friend said every so often you'd catch a grifter xmas74 Feb 2018 #265

Of course they have a fundraiser and mixed stories on FB- denying they wouldnt allow care while bettyellen Feb 2018 #274

I hope so too. xmas74 Feb 2018 #275

You keep acting like $9500 for an unnecessary medical flight is nothing. pnwmom Feb 2018 #279

Do you believe that if child was released to them to drive, they would for sure show up at the UCLA? LisaL Feb 2018 #281

Yes. Because they didn't realize that the surgery had been scheduled till they got there. pnwmom Feb 2018 #282

Their FB fundraiser is to get custody and withdraw from treatement. So nope. bettyellen Feb 2018 #285

That is NOT what their FB page says. And the treatment for the child has NOT been delayed. pnwmom Feb 2018 #287

The fundraiser is called Save Grace AB from UCLA Hospital and its new so.... bettyellen Feb 2018 #288

The money is for them to fight in court and stop treatment. Thats their FB pitch.... bettyellen Feb 2018 #284

Another case - in California - similar laserhaas Feb 2018 #293

Another source after the records were released tammywammy Feb 2018 #301

More bullshit half-truths from the OP. Codeine Feb 2018 #305

The real story here is that there is a chance these parents effectively killed their child. stevenleser Feb 2018 #297

I've shared this with a few friends. xmas74 Feb 2018 #298

Insurance likely wouldn't cover transfer because it wouldn't be considered necessary. LisaL Feb 2018 #306

She said they had CHIP cover one a few years ago xmas74 Feb 2018 #323

My understanding that when child showed up in Nevada, she wasn't signed up for insurance. LisaL Feb 2018 #328

I think some of it would depend on the state. xmas74 Feb 2018 #330

Ok...unless we missed something in the conversation... VivienneLove Feb 2018 #333

Yes, you have the wrong idea of what the situation was. LisaL Feb 2018 #336

I don't bother with questionable websites. LiberalFighter Feb 2018 #300

Tragic and disturbing VivienneLove Feb 2018 #331

This is one of the most compassionate, comprehensive laserhaas Feb 2018 #332

Except it's not accurate at all. LisaL Feb 2018 #334

Noted VivienneLove Feb 2018 #337

This is absolutely not accurate representation of the situation. LisaL Feb 2018 #335

I suppose then... VivienneLove Feb 2018 #338

Hospital in NV wasn't going to cover the trip, since they weren't the ones demanding the transfer. LisaL Feb 2018 #339

It sounds like... VivienneLove Feb 2018 #340

Upon a quick google search I came upon this.. VivienneLove Feb 2018 #349

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