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64. I disagree with your interpretation of milita.

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:33 PM

Jul 2012

There was no standing army, it was a citizen militia. The militia did not store weapons and issue them to the citizen members when called to duty, it was expected that citizens would own and keep their guns with them and bring them when summoned. Implicit is that the citizens would be using their guns for civilian use, hunting and defense, when they weren't on duty with the militia. And it does not appear that the authors of the Constitution intended to prohibit civilian ownership of guns extra-militia... there was no effort to ban or confiscate guns from non-militia at the time, nor for the next 150 years. Not until 1930s, when limits were first placed on automatic weapons b/c of number of WW1 surplus weapons being sold on civilian market.

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How would a federal gun ban work? House to house searches? [View all] banned from Kos Jul 2012 OP

just let the NSA monitor communications... Fresh_Start Jul 2012 #1

I have two reactions to your post.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #67

Let me guess, "If you don't have anything to hide", right? Zalatix Jul 2012 #85

We have the TSA gregoire Jul 2012 #2

Actually, the FBI doesn't have records of gun sales slackmaster Jul 2012 #36

Really? KansDem Jul 2012 #53

The paper form stays in the files of the company who sold the weapon, as long as it's in business slackmaster Jul 2012 #57

Thanks for the info! KansDem Jul 2012 #59

I was just thinking about how I play hide and go seek with my 2 year old snooper2 Jul 2012 #99

That is the warehouse from the movie ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #115

Yes. Have you watched "Warehouse 13", a TV series? GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #123

i dont think they have a record for private sales, at least when i bought my guns all i got loli phabay Jul 2012 #71

In most states, occasional private intrastate sales of used firearms are not regulated in any way slackmaster Jul 2012 #98

Keep what ya got, register it, but no more manufacture, buying or selling of semiautos. Not a ban on leveymg Jul 2012 #3

If This Is Serious Question, Sir.... The Magistrate Jul 2012 #4

I shudder at the thought - that party (Dems) would face massive losses banned from Kos Jul 2012 #11

You Asked How It Would Be Worked If Done, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #12

Wily reply again. I agree with you. banned from Kos Jul 2012 #13

It Would Be Of Great Benefit To the Country, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #20

It would have to be very wide support SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #31

It Was Not Me Who Proposed the Hypothetical, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #34

Understood SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #35

A Supreme Court In Theory Could Rule Otherwise, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #37

I agree 100% with all your points SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #40

I disagree with your interpretation of milita. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #64

Not My Interpretation, Sir, Merely One A Pack Of Lawyers Might Weasel Out Of the Words If They Chose The Magistrate Jul 2012 #65

Five justices could ignore stare decisus HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #68

One Seldom Sees Flat-Out Endorsement Of Sacrificing 10,000 Lives Annually To The God RKBA, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #70

Not an endorsement, simply realpolitik. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #77

Do Not Craw-Fish Away From A Morally Respectable Action, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #78

Wrong poster. And in any event, that is not what he said. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #80

I Plead the Lateness Of the Hour, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #82

The public also accepts 20,000 annual deaths as the price HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #89

There's a cost-benefit analysis to every actions we take. LanternWaste Jul 2012 #90

Agreed. And as we weigh the cost/benefit ratio, HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #92

Where Your Argument Fails, Sir, Is That You Cannot Produce The Benefit The Magistrate Jul 2012 #108

You make good points, Mr. Magistrate. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #118

Just like all those other clear cut issues... Mike_Valentine Jul 2012 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #14

So nice to know you're worried about Dems suffering 'massive losses' for something that no sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #69

First step probably would be an amnesty for turning the things in, likely with cash payment. Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #15

Rather a High Figure, Sir: Local Buy-Backs Do Not Pay Nearly That Much The Magistrate Jul 2012 #21

Rather a High Figure, Sir: Local Buy-Backs Do Not Pay Nearly That Much Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #25

You Miss Several Points Here, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #29

someone asked how, if the thing became law, it would be implemented. Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #43

Take Your Time At Table, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #45

dang that would be a lot of money that would need to be spent, would you buy the ammo as well? loli phabay Jul 2012 #72

Damn, Ma'am: Forty, Fifty Posts a Day, is It? The Magistrate Jul 2012 #74

rofl nah just lots of puter time, and at night the other forums i am on are dead as a dormouse. loli phabay Jul 2012 #76

Good response, however, in your subject line I would note... joeybee12 Jul 2012 #88

That Is My View As Well, Sir.... The Magistrate Jul 2012 #105

Jesus Trigg Christ see what happens when you go "Too-Far" left.. snooper2 Jul 2012 #100

Neither The Question, Sir, Nor The Answer, Has Anything To With Left Or Right Views The Magistrate Jul 2012 #107

And what do you think the Bill of Rights would look like after that is implemented? snooper2 Jul 2012 #110

I Expect If You Took a Gander At It, Sir, It Would Look About The Same.... The Magistrate Jul 2012 #111

sure dude LOL snooper2 Jul 2012 #112

yes, house to house searches Enrique Jul 2012 #5

Hey it could be a Jobs Program! leftstreet Jul 2012 #10

They would run out of cops ..... oldhippie Jul 2012 #19

Not to mention Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #54

And I have been with the military my whole adult life ..... oldhippie Jul 2012 #61

yup you would have the same problem with local law enforcement loli phabay Jul 2012 #73

ban or dramatically reduce new gun sales through restrictive laws... mike_c Jul 2012 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #7

I know I will always get a good laugh out of your posts. rl6214 Jul 2012 #39

hee heeeeeeee tiny elvis Jul 2012 #62

I would imagine... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #102

Yes, we all see how effective pot prohibition has been. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #113

I doubt there would ever be a full ban chowder66 Jul 2012 #8

A good question, even leaving out the 2nd amendment, hughee99 Jul 2012 #9

Grade the licenses. A standard drivers license does not allow ME to drive an 18 wheeler. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #16

That's been my argument the entire time. xmas74 Jul 2012 #46

That's actually a really good idea. JoeyT Jul 2012 #55

Q. How would a federal gun ban work? Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #17

hey genius, who the FUCK is even suggesting anything of the kind. Try no one cali Jul 2012 #18

You support my point - Bloomberg says Obama and Romney should debate it banned from Kos Jul 2012 #22

The states did not lose in Heller. soccer1 Jul 2012 #24

States weren't involved in Heller. It was the District of Columbia, or as the Repugs call it ... 11 Bravo Jul 2012 #42

Meh, I'm not sure SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #44

I think you are somewhat behind the times. former9thward Jul 2012 #47

I think you are somewhat deficient in reading comprehension. The post to which I responded ... 11 Bravo Jul 2012 #49

Nice attempt to cover. former9thward Jul 2012 #60

+1 ellisonz Jul 2012 #66

You mean a ban on guns other than handguns? soccer1 Jul 2012 #23

It's a moot point. The NRA won. madinmaryland Jul 2012 #26

Like the Alcohol Ban, the Marijuana Ban, the Gold Ban... jberryhill Jul 2012 #27

You would never get all of them quaker bill Jul 2012 #28

Nobody is suggesting that. Straw Man Argument. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #30

I disagree with your POV but SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #33

Thank you Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #50

A mature conversation is only possible after it is established what "reasonable" is. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #120

You are conflating legal with illegal carry. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #106

This nut in Aurora was a legal carrier. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #109

Faith based? No, statistics based. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #121

Holmes did NOT have a CCW. He was NOT a legal carrier. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #122

Ask Wayne LaPierrre, Supreme Commander of the Fruitcakes TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #32

Local LEO in rural areas may not even enforce such a law. Kaleva Jul 2012 #38

i think they also dont want to send their deputies door to door loli phabay Jul 2012 #41

I'm sure they'd contract out too. Serve The Servants Jul 2012 #79

might be a worse idea, i can see people opening fire on these guys much quicker than their local dep loli phabay Jul 2012 #81

I don't think there will ever be a federal gun ban. It wouldn't work because JDPriestly Jul 2012 #48

Three aspects. Scootaloo Jul 2012 #51

Remember that drug war thing? JoeyT Jul 2012 #52

You say that like it's a bad thing... Fumesucker Jul 2012 #91

Well, if you're not doing anything illegal, then you have nothing to worry about, now do you? bluestateguy Jul 2012 #56

That's irrelevant. A "federal gun ban" would be unconstitutional, kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #58

While they're at it, they can search for drugs, pornography and underfed cats. What a great idea. Brisket Jul 2012 #63

Trick question. The party that tried to pass that ban would be voted out en mass NickB79 Jul 2012 #75

No...you would need a license to possess a gun... Sancho Jul 2012 #83

I believe such a law would most likely have much the same results as the Volstead Act n/t azurnoir Jul 2012 #84

I love truly stupid questions. aquart Jul 2012 #86

The well thought out questioned resulted from Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #87

Metal detectors and TSA agents at every door 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #95

Why yes. House to house searches and FEMA camps for resisters lunatica Jul 2012 #96

Is this the "adult" equivalent of spinning on your back in the Wal-Mart toy aisle, bullwinkle428 Jul 2012 #97

Aside from a federal ban being unconstitutional based on the 10th Amendment... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #101

a ban on gun SALES is rather different from a ban on gun OWNERSHIP. unblock Jul 2012 #103

Like Prohibition One_Life_To_Give Jul 2012 #104

Start with a powerful police agency -- The Dept. of Internal Control and Confiscation of the United Zorra Jul 2012 #114

WOW! Marinedem Jul 2012 #116

Jefferson: "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Zorra Jul 2012 #117

It wouldn't. That's why no one wants it. Dash87 Jul 2012 #119