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Reply to CTyankee (Reply #142)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 08:26 PM

Jul 2012

Your post was about HockeyMom and her emotions and since I referenced "her" rather than "you" in my response to you.

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Can DU, can this nation have a sensible discussion about gun violence [View all] rustydog Jul 2012 OP

no Skittles Jul 2012 #1

Well, that helps the discussion! Kaleva Jul 2012 #3

alas, it is the truth Skittles Jul 2012 #4

Well, the hardcore on both sides do this. Kaleva Jul 2012 #19

Alas even 100% background checks nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #53

True. Any little change is too radical Kaleva Jul 2012 #62

If we cannot agree on 100% checks nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #65

Computerized registration? DirkGently Jul 2012 #69

Oh that goes without saying nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #71

You don't get rid of 300 million guns soccer1 Jul 2012 #119

So you are talking of what one, two generations? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #121

I don't know how long....the guns here will remain ..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #124

What you are then talking, and we both agree, nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #125

People can be loud and express their opinions..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #129

Actually the issue is so bad that nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #130

Yes, it is bad.... soccer1 Jul 2012 #131

I can contact my elected officials all I want nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #159

Well, this is true..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #163

Nah, it's to the point that next shooting nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #164

No legitimate gun owner wants mentally illegible people to have firearms ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #74

But the problem is that we had a few of our fans nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #76

I focus on the gun owner ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #82

Who said a thing about giving up your guns? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #85

I am for 100% mental competency checks for firearms ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #92

Damn, we agree nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #94

What kind of screening process would you use soccer1 Jul 2012 #152

Why not? soccer1 Jul 2012 #117

Some argue the domino effect. Kaleva Jul 2012 #122

Well, it depends how people believe .... soccer1 Jul 2012 #165

That's about it, isn't it, save for a replay. It will repeat. RKP5637 Jul 2012 #77

Given the average of occurrence yup nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #78

+100...It's a public forum...n/t orwell Jul 2012 #7

Oh, good. Then stick with your position on the wedge-issue as the losing politicians did in 1994 AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #55

no, not even on DU any more. CTyankee Jul 2012 #134

Are you referring to the "pro gun" nuts, or the "anti gun" nuts? slutticus Jul 2012 #167

No HockeyMom Jul 2012 #2

Exhibit A n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #10

No. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #5

EXHIBIT NUMBER ONE!!! Skittles Jul 2012 #11

Could you elaborate a little? NT Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #14

Well said n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #12

When your 6 year old child sees bus driver with his face blown away HockeyMom Jul 2012 #16

And you accuse gun owners of SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #18

No disrespect intended HockeyMom... Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #21

Have your child, or you, witness a gun death up close and personal HockeyMom Jul 2012 #26

Hmmm. Okay then. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #27

If you read her post you'll see that it isn't even the death itself SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #29

That man was dead in a bloody horrible mess HockeyMom Jul 2012 #35

I never said you shouldn't have been traumatized SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #38

Have you ever read The Turner Diaries? Brisket Jul 2012 #133

Oh, it's not one death, believe me. There are many out there whose family has suffered such CTyankee Jul 2012 #137

You're basing your stance on emotion SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #28

human emotions, how awful! How dare she? Why, that's unAmerican! Emotions! Nonsense! CTyankee Jul 2012 #138

No problem with opinions based on emotions SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #140

but of course I didn't do that...however... CTyankee Jul 2012 #142

But of course I wasn't talking about you...since... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #143

wrong. not about hockeymom as much as any other post I have made. wrong equivalency. CTyankee Jul 2012 #144

If your post wasn't about HockeyMom SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #145

i never said it wasn't in direct reference to her. you brought in extraneaous stuff...false CTyankee Jul 2012 #146

And what false equivalencies would those be? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #147

the false equivalency being that our side is accusing your side of being "emotional." CTyankee Jul 2012 #148

You didn't but HockeyMom certainly did SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #149

welll, I don't think it is ALL fear and hormones. That doesn't go far enough in my book. CTyankee Jul 2012 #151

"lack of belief in the 2nd amendment"? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #153

if my beliefs are so irrelevant and those of my fellow liberals, then you don't have to worry, do CTyankee Jul 2012 #160

That is what I'm talking about. But the actual number is about 30-thousand a year rustydog Jul 2012 #31

Probably not SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #34

My point exactly, but other nations are armed, have strict gunlaws and their civilian deaths rustydog Jul 2012 #37

Because laws don't prevent senseless acts of violence n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #40

Then why are the numbers lower? rustydog Jul 2012 #43

"knee-jerk defensive statements!" SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #45

Better access to mental health care, less poverty, more labor protections, far less potential TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #81

I agree. This over the top attempt to make sense of senseless violence Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #22

Do you mean side-impact protection mandated for all automobiles? Seatbelt laws? rustydog Jul 2012 #36

Obviously those things aren't enough. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #50

So, you agree that we must do something to diminish gun violence? HuckleB Jul 2012 #99

Nice red herring combined with a straw man. HuckleB Jul 2012 #98

No one decides to have an accident, however everyone (almost everyone) who shoots 2on2u Jul 2012 #102

"...a visceral dislike of weapons..." 99Forever Jul 2012 #111

No. one side has no clue what they're talking about, HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #6

I like this post SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #15

It does have a certain beautiful vagueness to it, doesn't it? NT Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #23

My hands are not clean, and so weight this appropriately but Pholus Jul 2012 #8

No we cannot. Texasgal Jul 2012 #9

I think there ought to be a limit on magazine capacity for one Kaleva Jul 2012 #13

We do already Lurks Often Jul 2012 #24

Not to the extent of what I've suggested Kaleva Jul 2012 #30

State law varies widely, Lurks Often Jul 2012 #39

Make it a federal law Kaleva Jul 2012 #47

That particular weapon in the federal arsenal is most likely weaker now SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #48

No we don"t this guy had a 100-round ammo drum! rustydog Jul 2012 #104

I've never had to use a gun to defend myself Lurks Often Jul 2012 #114

Yes violent crime is down nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #127

Don't make assumptions Lurks Often Jul 2012 #150

Sorry, but at this point I will assume such nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #158

Probably the one thing the both sides can agree on: Lurks Often Jul 2012 #162

No, the opposing viewpoints are generally too vast Lurks Often Jul 2012 #17

The problem might be rrneck Jul 2012 #20

No, it's like religion, or basic ideas of liberty .... oldhippie Jul 2012 #25

"die hard progressives" have or should have different views on religion? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #59

From what I have seen around here ...... oldhippie Jul 2012 #66

If anything, progressives are suppose to use their brains and think and not accept others' orthodoxy AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #68

It's called "faith" ..... oldhippie Jul 2012 #72

Your point was quickly proven, wasn't it? Union Scribe Jul 2012 #87

Not going to happen. HappyMe Jul 2012 #32

Yes! If it is not going to be a campaign or election issue. Otherwise no. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #60

No, because fear makes people irrational... polichick Jul 2012 #33

You're a good example of why we can't have civil discussions Lurks Often Jul 2012 #41

Yep n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #42

Nice try. polichick Jul 2012 #44

Hey, if the shoe fits... n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #46

It's a valid point polichick. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #51

Good grief, all you have to do is know a few gun enthusiasts... polichick Jul 2012 #54

I actually know quite a few gun enthusiasts. Even have some in the family. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #86

Yes. I fear the skeet. slutticus Jul 2012 #168

Yes, it's very mature to require a stockpile of guns in order to... polichick Jul 2012 #169

Hey, I got some nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #58

I am too, but you can't even get Dem "leaders" to go there. polichick Jul 2012 #67

Nope IDemo Jul 2012 #49

No not going to happen, sorry. nt Raine Jul 2012 #52

Gun smuggling is BIG business period Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2012 #56

Try eliminating the demand ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #79

Not until gun worshipers acknowledge two simple, indisputable facts; baldguy Jul 2012 #57

When you lead with the term "gun worshiper", it means you really don't want to discuss things ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #75

You mean like in the UK? Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #83

And then there's Van der Vlis from the Netherlands. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #88

Things like this happen countries with strict gun control once in a decade baldguy Jul 2012 #103

I hope you're just uninformed instead of disingenuous...I suggest you Google Brisket Jul 2012 #136

Is Jamaca part of the industrialised world? And where do you think those guns come from? baldguy Jul 2012 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author Union Scribe Jul 2012 #89

With all due respect, it is the catch phrases, that shuts down any hope of intelligent discussion rustydog Jul 2012 #105

Gun worshipers should also grow up & stop with the histrionics. baldguy Jul 2012 #156

Your chance of 'getting rid' of the guns of Democrats is very very slim. Chance of taking them away Brisket Jul 2012 #135

no....... madrchsod Jul 2012 #61

Yes, but not while people are being emotional. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #63

Yes Yes ellisonz Jul 2012 #132

You want gun control? A sensible way to push for gun and violence control is to push for economic AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #64

^this this THIS! LadyHawkAZ Jul 2012 #70

Damn by this logic I should have commited murder a few times nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #73

Is this were you were involved in "a few shootouts"? zappaman Jul 2012 #139

Exactly my friend. The issue isn't just firearms and the violence...it is a myriad issue rustydog Jul 2012 #106

Hopefully yes RobietheCat Jul 2012 #80

No sensible discussion unless, some how, the NRA, disappears completely. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #84

Or returns to it's roots nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #90

I agreewith you. Once it was a good organization and I was a proud member rustydog Jul 2012 #107

Probably not. krispos42 Jul 2012 #91

Newp. It's a topic partial to partisans and ideologues Prism Jul 2012 #93

I feel we can if both sides carefully listen to the other side's points and become educated ... spin Jul 2012 #95

"Educate" me on the upside... 99Forever Jul 2012 #115

You suggest what I feel is a fair argument ... spin Jul 2012 #116

Not as long as folks think that.. sendero Jul 2012 #96

In other words, you would not participate in such a discussion. HuckleB Jul 2012 #97

Not when.. sendero Jul 2012 #100

How can we find out if there is a solution to this insane violence issue rustydog Jul 2012 #109

rustydog.. sendero Jul 2012 #166

One thing is for sure: If Du can't this nation can't. NT Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #101

Gun violence discussion. No problem. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #108

I was going to ask this yesterday but decided I didn't need the aggravation. Thank you for posting. uppityperson Jul 2012 #110

Nope. Arugula Latte Jul 2012 #112

NO, that's why we have the Gungeon. n/t shanti Jul 2012 #113

Short answer NO nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #118

No. Not right now. MissMarple Jul 2012 #120

I'll just leave this here.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #123

'Sensible' is in the eye of the beholder. randome Jul 2012 #126

You need tear gas, armour, 6000 rounds HockeyMom Jul 2012 #141

Discussion?... -..__... Jul 2012 #128

What we need to be discussing is mental illness - lynne Jul 2012 #154

From my local police blotter... EmeraldCityGrl Jul 2012 #155

I'd like to, very much. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #157