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73. Holmes might well have answered, "yes, I plan to kill

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:30 PM

Jul 2012

a lot of people." According to the reports I heard today, he actually mailed a notebook detailing his plans, including diagrams of how he would do it, to a psychiatrist, but unfortunately the notebook wasn't delivered in time (or taken seriously enough) to prevent the tragedy. It's still too early to draw conclusions, but there is at least the possibility that he did this because he wanted to be stopped. This strikes me as similar to how people who tell friends, loved ones, shrinks that they're feeling suicidal, or at least leave broad hints, are hoping in their heart of hearts to be stopped before it's too late.

So yeah, if someone had outright asked this guy, "Why all the guns, why all the ammo, is there something you want to tell us?", he might well have handed them a copy of this notebook, and an awful tragedy might have been averted.

At the very least, it would have been worth a try.

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I hope James Holmes will at least put a stake through the argument [View all] pnwmom Jul 2012 OP

They are all Legal until the FIRST TIME HockeyMom Jul 2012 #1

How's that? Control-Z Jul 2012 #3

Holmes had no Felonies, no Adjudicated Mental Illness HockeyMom Jul 2012 #6

Would that also apply to first time armed robbers or home invaders who stole the gun Brisket Jul 2012 #10

I see what you're saying now. Control-Z Jul 2012 #20

What is there, if anything, about the shooter's purchases that would have set red flags off? X_Digger Jul 2012 #24

It's not that hard to figure out. Really. Control-Z Jul 2012 #48

If it's not so hard to figure out, then please explain.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #51

It is more than obvious Control-Z Jul 2012 #59

So no answer? X_Digger Jul 2012 #67

Are you serious?? Control-Z Jul 2012 #93

So the first time after this magical pattern match is implemented, when I purchase ammo online.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #101

You still don't get it. Control-Z Jul 2012 #105

No, you came up with what you thought was a clever idea.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #106

Well, I guess you believe you're batting 1000. Control-Z Jul 2012 #107

I think I know what HockeyMom means..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #7

Exactly. Like the saying every dog gets his first bite treestar Jul 2012 #9

I think we'll always have people who want to kill other people... soccer1 Jul 2012 #17

The crime rate is dropping from what I have read Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #77

The annual homicide number remained steady at around 10,000 murders for a decade. n/t ellisonz Jul 2012 #90

.. while the population went up by 20% -- did you miss the word 'rate'? n/t X_Digger Jul 2012 #102

The MSM thrives on extended coverage of sensational stories..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #96

I think I get it, finally! The solution is to imprision everyone (who might become a criminal) Brisket Jul 2012 #11

We could at least have a system that red flags people who go on buying sprees. reformist2 Jul 2012 #15

How exactly would your spree detector function? If you have a working model, you should Brisket Jul 2012 #18

Thread win. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #32

No but is there nothing at all that we can do? treestar Jul 2012 #50

My point is that these states don't ask WHY you want guns, HockeyMom Jul 2012 #16

Does Best Buy ask you "why" you want a printer? They should, you could be Brisket Jul 2012 #21

And all those planning murder would answer "To kill someone." when asked?!? X_Digger Jul 2012 #22

I want a gun to throw it away? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #25

Again, what value would such a question have? X_Digger Jul 2012 #29

Prove a point HockeyMom Jul 2012 #33

Let's suppose a person wanted a firearm for a nefarious purpose. ... spin Jul 2012 #49

Holmes might well have answered, "yes, I plan to kill thucythucy Jul 2012 #73

I don't, no.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #74

Except, according to the reports, he mailed thucythucy Jul 2012 #98

You're moving quite far afield from the original subject.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #100

Not a stretch at all. "Heavily armed Maine man arrested" thucythucy Jul 2012 #108

How do they know you wont lie? rrneck Jul 2012 #34

That'd be because the vast, overhwelming majority of purchases *are* for recreation/protection. Posteritatis Jul 2012 #37

Its none of their Missycim Jul 2012 #38

So they won't keep track of that gun I bought? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #39

Record the sale Missycim Jul 2012 #41

Everybody is entrenced in their positions on the matter, I'm afraid. NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #2

Don't be confused bongbong Jul 2012 #4

I keep reading comments that Mitt is very intelligent... Frustratedlady Jul 2012 #5

How did he keep control of three guns treestar Jul 2012 #8

He must have carried them all in and put the ones he wasn't using pnwmom Jul 2012 #12

He had an assault rifle? I hadn't heard of that... Brisket Jul 2012 #14

Yes...I believe he had an AR-15 Cali_Democrat Jul 2012 #30

The AR-15 was not designed for 'mass killing'. X_Digger Jul 2012 #54

It isn't an assault rifle either. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #63

Some are proud of their ignorance and wear it like a badge. *sigh* n/t X_Digger Jul 2012 #71

Indeed ...how many deer do you need to kill with 100 rounds at 1 per second? pkdu Jul 2012 #78

I don't agree that the AR platform is for hunting. It's for combat. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #83

Look at it from the other side for a moment. Marr Jul 2012 #82

But there is a very large difference... NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #84

I don't necessarily want to ban anything. Marr Jul 2012 #86

I wouldn't want to accuse everyone... NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #89

Yeah it's an assault weapon. ellisonz Jul 2012 #91

Hey, that term may be misleading, but at least it's not so egregiously dishonest. Good on ya. n/t NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #92

And the 100 round , shot per second , magazine is for the targets or the "smalL game" ? Nt pkdu Jul 2012 #80

It's for taking to the range, primarily X_Digger Jul 2012 #81

Bling. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #35

This story puts Mitt in an impossible situation. reformist2 Jul 2012 #13

Speaking for myself SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #19

You can ask until you're blue in the face how the gun-banners can guarantee that no criminals Brisket Jul 2012 #23

Like I said I could legally buy an gun HockeyMom Jul 2012 #26

Is there a large incidence of this behavior that you're aware of? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #43

Not large, but they do find rusted guns in ponds HockeyMom Jul 2012 #46

Rusted = useless n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #53

So the tragic boating accidents are real! NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #64

Fewer of them would treestar Jul 2012 #97

That's because anyone who used an outlawed gun would then be a criminal, by definition. pnwmom Jul 2012 #28

Fair enough SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #45

The AWB could have prevented Holmes from killing as many people as he did. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #47

Which AWB - the old one or the one they are trying to pass? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #55

Not necessarily SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #57

We're not really going to talk about cracking down on smoke bombs now, are we? NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #65

What are smoke bombs for? What about tear gas? What's that for? n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #85

Smoke bombs? I use them for paintball. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #87

Tear gas as self-defense? How does that work? Wouldn't the tear gas pnwmom Jul 2012 #88

" . . . we can sometimes hope . . ." <-- Romney's new campaign slogan. Major Hogwash Jul 2012 #27

James Holmes is a chicken shit coward and will contribute nothing to anyone. nt ladjf Jul 2012 #31

We have to come to terms... DearAbby Jul 2012 #36

Ok fair enough Missycim Jul 2012 #40

Missy...this is already being done DearAbby Jul 2012 #52

I am talking about Missycim Jul 2012 #95

One point.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #58

There is nothing we can't do if we put our minds DearAbby Jul 2012 #62

Ohhkaaay... X_Digger Jul 2012 #70

Good point. There's no reason they should not be regulated treestar Jul 2012 #99

Your statement about Mitt Romney is false cbrer Jul 2012 #42

You should be correct. HuckleB Jul 2012 #44

It's illegal in Florida to own a gun if you are mentally ill Egalitariat Jul 2012 #56

And unless there was some record of him being mentally ill SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #61

One has to be adjudicated as such- and I'm okay with that. n/t X_Digger Jul 2012 #66

I think a good start would be to look at the numbers... EX500rider Jul 2012 #60

Why are you comparing crimes to accidents? reformist2 Jul 2012 #68

"5 times more killed by knives, 2 times more killed by hands & feet" EX500rider Jul 2012 #72

"Why are you comparing crimes to accidents?" EX500rider Jul 2012 #75

another AWB banned the AR believer. ileus Jul 2012 #69

Oh, lordy, broad-brush smears again. krispos42 Jul 2012 #76

It will never put a stake through it Aerows Jul 2012 #79

Yup...bill Mahler out it succinctly. Selfish. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author susanna Jul 2012 #94

You have said some things that are not true. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #103