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LonePirate

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43. As a society, we need to stop giving a pass to bad parents like those of the shooter.

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:29 PM

Feb 2018

If the parents had taken action or made other decisions with regard to their son, today's murders would not have happened. They may not have pulled the trigger but they failed at preventing their son from doing that.

If the shooter had a mental illness beyond the gun obsession, the parent(s) should have sought treatment for the son. There are resources out there for those suffering from mental illness when it becomes life threatening for them or for others.

I'm not saying the parents caused any mental illness in the killer; but they certainly should have sought treatment for their son if a mental illness did exist. At the moment, if mental illness is a cause here, then the parents failed from the treatment angle.

And yes, our (American) society has certainly stigmatized mental illness and we woefully address the problem in America. That still doesn't detract from the bad parenting in this scenario that existed whether or not mental illness contributed to today's massacre.

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Father Of Shooter Asking For Privacy [View all] SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 OP

I hold judgement until we learn where the kid got the gun XRubicon Feb 2018 #1

Exactly. DURHAM D Feb 2018 #2

Kid Got The Gun From Dad's Collection SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #4

I hope the victims family sue that bastard. The father, I mean. NT raccoon Feb 2018 #16

Father died many years ago. Kaleva Feb 2018 #94

Uh, both of his parents are dead. What are you talking about? nt MadDAsHell Feb 2018 #107

Seems everyone who ought to be sued it dead. too bad. nt raccoon Feb 2018 #109

Sorry, learned that OP is a lie. Where did they get this fake news? Nt raccoon Feb 2018 #120

Why are you posting these lies? oberliner Feb 2018 #111

I'm curious as to how gun friendly the dad was. joshcryer Feb 2018 #15

Yep. Daddy, like so many gunners, probably introduced his kid Hoyt Feb 2018 #29

These types are scary. I grew up on a big ranch Drahthaardogs Feb 2018 #39

Same here gay texan Feb 2018 #44

That's proper use of guns, and I don't have a problem with that. My granddad had a farm too. Hoyt Feb 2018 #55

It's the attitude. Drahthaardogs Feb 2018 #58

Ive never had a picture of myself holding my gun. GWC58 Feb 2018 #67

Not true oberliner Feb 2018 #112

What's not true? Hoyt Feb 2018 #117

Both his parents are dead. The father has been dead for years . He bought the gun @ age 18 lunasun Feb 2018 #98

His father, or adoptive father, was alive at the age most gunner dads indoctrinate their kids Hoyt Feb 2018 #119

I was just thinking Nevernose Feb 2018 #122

You don't know that. His father died when he was 4. But he's living in a state pnwmom Feb 2018 #132

His adoptive father was into guns and was OK with his attraction Hoyt Feb 2018 #134

Where is your evidence of that? His adoptive father died when he was four, pnwmom Feb 2018 #135

I can't imagine the grief. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #3

apparently the kids in the school knew he would do something like this. Egnever Feb 2018 #5

Fuck him. He raised that monster and/or neglected the downward spiral his son was in. LonePirate Feb 2018 #6

There is proof of this or you just making up stuff? n/t USALiberal Feb 2018 #13

He either promoted his son's gun obsession or he ignored it. He's a horrible father regardless. LonePirate Feb 2018 #17

You have no fucking idea yet. Wow, love the lynch mod mentality here. n/t USALiberal Feb 2018 #18

It's obvious that the poster is expressing his/her opinion about the father... TheDebbieDee Feb 2018 #35

How adorable! nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #40

I think you need to look at the difference between offering an opinion and making up facts. Blecht Feb 2018 #131

It's really mob lies not just the OP but replies . Dad died yrs ago & killer bought the gun @ 18 lunasun Feb 2018 #103

You don't know anything... Baconator Feb 2018 #45

If every relative today's victims doesn't agree that bad parenting existed here, then I will retract LonePirate Feb 2018 #52

Sometimes good parents have a bad kid Drahthaardogs Feb 2018 #57

Exactly... Might... Baconator Feb 2018 #78

I usually just let them ride out their rage aikoaiko Feb 2018 #63

Good advice! Thanks! nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #65

As the sister of a murderer, Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #21

Did you brother actively and repeatedly display an unhealthy obsession with guns? LonePirate Feb 2018 #22

Do you know whether the parent was aware of the things you are alleging? Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #26

The parent either tolerated the gun obsession or ignored it (knowingly or unknowingly). LonePirate Feb 2018 #31

Parenting sucks. You do the best you can, or maybe you dont; no one helps and everyone judges. lostnfound Feb 2018 #33

You have no idea what you're talking about. procon Feb 2018 #34

As a society, we need to stop giving a pass to bad parents like those of the shooter. LonePirate Feb 2018 #43

You're living just telling a make believe story. procon Feb 2018 #64

By all means, share whatever you can about how the parents did everything they could to stop him. LonePirate Feb 2018 #70

OK, here; my opinion is more valid because you're just making up procon Feb 2018 #84

Please link to ANYTHING that proves anything you said! nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #41

I threw out every hypothetical that came to mind. Did I miss one that's on your mind? LonePirate Feb 2018 #47

So you are just making up shit. I get it now. nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #49

You cannot judge whether someone was a bad parent Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #51

I damn well am going to judge the parent of any kid who shoots up his school. LonePirate Feb 2018 #54

Wow, you scare me more. n.t USALiberal Feb 2018 #66

I hope you never have a child who disappoints you, Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #69

Their best efforts resulted in 17 dead people today. How is that not a failure at parenting? LonePirate Feb 2018 #72

Sympathy is not a limited commodity Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #82

And what if the parents of those victims have other children with mental health issues? procon Feb 2018 #86

If their kid(s) shoot up a school and kill 17 people, then yes, they would be bad parents also. LonePirate Feb 2018 #88

So which parents failed? Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #96

You aren't going to make this person understand. sarah FAILIN Feb 2018 #77

You're correct. Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #87

The father died years ago of a heart attack, the mom just died at Thanksgiving at age 68. lostnfound Feb 2018 #121

The father died some years ago. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #128

I'm sorry that your family went through this janterry Feb 2018 #81

Thank you. Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #83

He has been dead for a long time . Died when the killer was young lunasun Feb 2018 #102

No, he didn't oberliner Feb 2018 #113

He died when the boy was four. But 1 in 3 people in Florida own a gun. And since pnwmom Feb 2018 #133

Lock him up! ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #7

His father died years ago oberliner Feb 2018 #114

I hear foster child on local news superpatriotman Feb 2018 #8

I have mixed feelings on this score... It seems increasingly like we NEVER hear anything about hlthe2b Feb 2018 #9

That's a tough balance. Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #60

What a painful and personal account you can offer. hlthe2b Feb 2018 #76

Other Kids At School Noticed Trouble And Avoided Killer SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #10

I'm sure the dead father will be able to keep his guns. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #129

Did he supply the guns???!!!! ecstatic Feb 2018 #11

I read the book by Dylan Klebold's mother MichMary Feb 2018 #12

Ted talk by Dylan Kiebold's mother is excellent. Link. Hamlette Feb 2018 #27

I'd never seen that underpants Feb 2018 #30

Thank you! n/t Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #74

Yeah, that book is sad & scary& how well humans irisblue Feb 2018 #50

Lots of wannabee vigilantes posting in this thread. procon Feb 2018 #14

It's Relevant Since Dad Brought KILLER Up Around Guns SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #19

Local 10 said his foster mother died recently malaise Feb 2018 #23

No one knows yet. That is why this thread is disgusting. n.t USALiberal Feb 2018 #25

So why are you still here in this thread? You have a choice, you know... TheDebbieDee Feb 2018 #36

Because I can post all I want without your permission! nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #37

Why can't people post here? nt procon Feb 2018 #91

So was I. True of my own dad, and probably a lot of families, too. procon Feb 2018 #32

I want to see a link to this statement. sheshe2 Feb 2018 #75

Hard to do since they are dead already. The father for a long time lunasun Feb 2018 #101

His father died when he was young . Why all the false statements ? lunasun Feb 2018 #100

Except his father died years ago obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #123

So true!!! This thread is disgusting. Idiotic lynch mod fools. Scary! n/t USALiberal Feb 2018 #24

Since white wing dads started introducing their kids to the white wing gun culture. Hoyt Feb 2018 #61

If the dad owned the weapon, he's culpable. Period. ecstatic Feb 2018 #85

I think it's only a few - they are just very vicious and very loud. Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #89

Link please??? USALiberal Feb 2018 #20

your rush to judgement is understandable Kali Feb 2018 #28

No privacy Generic Brad Feb 2018 #38

Both of his parents are dead...... USALiberal Feb 2018 #42

Maybe that's both his bio parents, hence the foster parents ... only that mother is dead ... mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #62

He doesn't have a foster father obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #125

i wonder how many on this thread have raised a kid w a mental illness or mopinko Feb 2018 #46

+1. I know parents who did what they could for troubled kids who could not tblue37 Feb 2018 #53

sometimes they get a head injury. mopinko Feb 2018 #59

Thank you. underpants Feb 2018 #56

Thank you. H2O Man Feb 2018 #68

Oh, but you were a bad parent, failed your child and society. Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #71

yeah, how dare this kid's parent up and die? mopinko Feb 2018 #73

+1 NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #115

thank you for your post, mopinko. As helpless as I feel about guns, I feel even more so in helping hlthe2b Feb 2018 #116

Source? Where is your assertion from please. thank you in advance irisblue Feb 2018 #48

DU - Democrats - should be better than some of the shit being spewed in this thread. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2018 #79

+1 demmiblue Feb 2018 #104

I would have to wonder why leftyladyfrommo Feb 2018 #80

Man, lots of aspiring North Koreans here. linuxman Feb 2018 #90

WTF are you talking about? B2G Feb 2018 #92

Father apparently died many years ago of a heart attack Kaleva Feb 2018 #93

I'm asking for the high-schoolers his son killed to not be dead. Iggo Feb 2018 #95

How about you delete this ugly thread. Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #97

Why did you start this OP ? His father has been dead for years? lunasun Feb 2018 #99

No, sorry, your son is a mass murderer. You don't get privacy right now. Bucky Feb 2018 #105

He's dead, Jim. n/t demmiblue Feb 2018 #106

It isn't his son, it isn't his foster son obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #126

There are times when some on here aren't any better than those they hate Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #108

I know, it is maddening obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #127

This OP is a lie and should be deleted (father of shooter died years ago, mother died recently) oberliner Feb 2018 #110

That's getting into some really Old Testament-style sophistication. LanternWaste Feb 2018 #118

His father died years ago obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #124

Yes some people are just wired badly Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #130