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In reply to the discussion: Father Of Shooter Asking For Privacy [View all]Ms. Toad
(38,090 posts)96. So which parents failed?
A family member told ABC News that Cruz and his younger brother were adopted as infants, and that his adoptive parents are now deceased. His father, Roger Cruz died a few years ago, ABC reported, and his mother, Lynda, died last November.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/florida-school-shooting-suspect?utm_term=.emMmaVGzv#.ffN9VoBgX
The ones who died/were taken out of the picture when he was an infant?
His adoptive father who died a few years ago?
His adoptive mother who died in November?
The family who took him in after his mother died in November?
He was apparently an older adopted child (having a younger brother at the time he was adopted puts him at at least 9 months, more likely 18 months at the time). Eighteen months is risky for the long-term emotional health of a female child; it is even more risky for the emotional health of a male child. (The greater risk is mostly as measured in risk to society; females are more likely to turn their anger inward - males outward) All of my siblings have some emotional baggage from their early years; the older two (males) have more baggage that could not be overcome.
Because there were two siblings, this was likely a situation in which they were taken from a home that was unsuitable. (That is how we ended up adopting biological siblings at ages 2 & 4 - at least one of whom had FAS and was beaten)
At the time I started challenging you, I had no idea how similar the likely circumstances were to those in our own family, although it doesn't surprise me. A lot of damage can be done to a child by age 2 that cannot be undone - no matter how skilled the adoptive parents are.
So, no. His dead parents (all 4 of them) are not to blame for today's shooting.
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That's proper use of guns, and I don't have a problem with that. My granddad had a farm too.
Hoyt
Feb 2018
#55
Both his parents are dead. The father has been dead for years . He bought the gun @ age 18
lunasun
Feb 2018
#98
His father, or adoptive father, was alive at the age most gunner dads indoctrinate their kids
Hoyt
Feb 2018
#119
Fuck him. He raised that monster and/or neglected the downward spiral his son was in.
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#6
He either promoted his son's gun obsession or he ignored it. He's a horrible father regardless.
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#17
It's obvious that the poster is expressing his/her opinion about the father...
TheDebbieDee
Feb 2018
#35
I think you need to look at the difference between offering an opinion and making up facts.
Blecht
Feb 2018
#131
It's really mob lies not just the OP but replies . Dad died yrs ago & killer bought the gun @ 18
lunasun
Feb 2018
#103
If every relative today's victims doesn't agree that bad parenting existed here, then I will retract
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#52
Did you brother actively and repeatedly display an unhealthy obsession with guns?
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#22
The parent either tolerated the gun obsession or ignored it (knowingly or unknowingly).
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#31
Parenting sucks. You do the best you can, or maybe you dont; no one helps and everyone judges.
lostnfound
Feb 2018
#33
As a society, we need to stop giving a pass to bad parents like those of the shooter.
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#43
By all means, share whatever you can about how the parents did everything they could to stop him.
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#70
I threw out every hypothetical that came to mind. Did I miss one that's on your mind?
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#47
I damn well am going to judge the parent of any kid who shoots up his school.
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#54
Their best efforts resulted in 17 dead people today. How is that not a failure at parenting?
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#72
And what if the parents of those victims have other children with mental health issues?
procon
Feb 2018
#86
If their kid(s) shoot up a school and kill 17 people, then yes, they would be bad parents also.
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#88
The father died years ago of a heart attack, the mom just died at Thanksgiving at age 68.
lostnfound
Feb 2018
#121
He died when the boy was four. But 1 in 3 people in Florida own a gun. And since
pnwmom
Feb 2018
#133
I have mixed feelings on this score... It seems increasingly like we NEVER hear anything about
hlthe2b
Feb 2018
#9
Since white wing dads started introducing their kids to the white wing gun culture.
Hoyt
Feb 2018
#61
Maybe that's both his bio parents, hence the foster parents ... only that mother is dead ...
mr_lebowski
Feb 2018
#62
thank you for your post, mopinko. As helpless as I feel about guns, I feel even more so in helping
hlthe2b
Feb 2018
#116
DU - Democrats - should be better than some of the shit being spewed in this thread.
NRaleighLiberal
Feb 2018
#79
This OP is a lie and should be deleted (father of shooter died years ago, mother died recently)
oberliner
Feb 2018
#110