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27. "Suggestion" used to work in the old days--for sex or violence. Not so much now, people are used to

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:39 AM

Jul 2012

more graphic depictions, I guess.

For example, crazed killer approaches victim with chainsaw. Fires up chainsaw, close up of chainsaw, close up of terrified victim, then a close up of the killer with a crazed expression on his fact accompanied by a sound effect suggesting the chainsaw has met the victim (crunching bone or what have you) and then some blood getting sprayed on the murderer's face...

No actual violence is depicted, but we get the idea.

It's like the cutaway to the roaring fire or the curtains in the open window wafting in the breeze with music rising to a crescendo...those were "cues" for s-e-x...we never saw any, but we got the idea!

Movies were cheaper back in the dark ages, too--I guess for the price of them these days, people demand a great deal of detail...!

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Director Peter Bogdanovich: What If Movies Are Part of the Problem? [View all] Adenoid_Hynkel Jul 2012 OP

Anymore, I would say video games KT2000 Jul 2012 #1

It's a game. I normally feel nothing. white_wolf Jul 2012 #5

Thanks for sharing that flamingdem Jul 2012 #11

There's a massive, massive difference between killing someone in a fantasy XemaSab Jul 2012 #13

That's how I feel... white_wolf Jul 2012 #14

And now, back to Q3CTF4. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #19

Did you notice? loyalsister Jul 2012 #15

I see what you are saying.... white_wolf Jul 2012 #16

I wasn't accusing you loyalsister Jul 2012 #29

Eh, no Confusious Jul 2012 #62

The "enemies" aren't even human Confusious Jul 2012 #65

The fact that you feel nothing would seem to indicate that you are becoming desensitized. grantcart Jul 2012 #54

The real question is... Alduin Jul 2012 #61

No the real question is does constant exposure to violent images cause grantcart Jul 2012 #66

Oh please Confusious Jul 2012 #64

I feel nothing when I kill someone in a video game... Alduin Jul 2012 #60

The same thing I do when I win a game Confusious Jul 2012 #70

Video Games. Comics. Movies. kenny blankenship Jul 2012 #93

Excellent question. We know advertisements affect people's behavior. Why not movies? n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #2

so whats the answer ban any movie violence, ban the games loli phabay Jul 2012 #3

It would be easy to change the ratings system XemaSab Jul 2012 #6

i agree with changing the rating system, as to the imagination thing i get that as well loli phabay Jul 2012 #9

Maybe the answer is directors and producers and movie fans asking these questions pnwmom Jul 2012 #8

Excellent point. HCE SuiGeneris Jul 2012 #17

"Suggestion" used to work in the old days--for sex or violence. Not so much now, people are used to MADem Jul 2012 #27

lol or the train going into the tunnel or the steamstack on a ship loli phabay Jul 2012 #30

Catcher in the Rye led to two assassination attempts 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #48

My Bosnian roommate and I went to "The Matrix" and she couldn't stand it XemaSab Jul 2012 #4

I can't watch a lot of movies now Irishonly Jul 2012 #72

good point reorg Jul 2012 #76

well, movies sometimes are like booklets with instructions AlphaCentauri Jul 2012 #7

the worst is the kids movies, i watched tangled and now i know how to steal a crown loli phabay Jul 2012 #10

Actually abelenkpe Jul 2012 #58

I agree, including the part about showing violence in other ways being more effective & chilling. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #12

excorcist, salems lot both give me the heebie jeebies, james mason is just immense. loli phabay Jul 2012 #23

Despite... GTurck Jul 2012 #18

What if Duh? 6000eliot Jul 2012 #20

Today they STILL don't show the child murder. slampoet Jul 2012 #21

Have you seen "The Hunger Games"? FedUpWithIt All Jul 2012 #96

25+ year old actors with wimpy weapons? slampoet Jul 2012 #97

And the actors were depicting children being killed. FedUpWithIt All Jul 2012 #101

And i am talking Not about adult looking actors. slampoet Jul 2012 #102

Oh for chrissakes. FedUpWithIt All Jul 2012 #105

don't foreigners watch a lot of the same shit we do JI7 Jul 2012 #22

yup and some of the foreign movies are much more graphic than hollywood. loli phabay Jul 2012 #24

Do not google "Ichi the Killer". Zalatix Jul 2012 #26

hell even the japanese cartoons are downright scarey lol loli phabay Jul 2012 #28

"maybe they internalise it and it comes out a different way. " eShirl Jul 2012 #31

there you go then, thats their valve loli phabay Jul 2012 #32

Being a smart guy, he didn't say movies were the sole problem but that they could be part of the cali Jul 2012 #25

This. Also, domestic violence is a huge problem in Japan. redqueen Jul 2012 #57

The Japanese have churned out some insanely violent movies 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #36

The Japanese movied "Battle Royal" comes to mind. Javaman Jul 2012 #38

There was a lot of domestic violence when I lived there in the 70's. I don't know how it is now. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #104

What happened to society that we need all this violence in our "entertainment" liberal N proud Jul 2012 #33

The reality does not support that statement at all. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #37

Oh no! Stop it with those HappyMe Jul 2012 #40

I am particularly bothered by that fact free argument as it blames both filmmakers and the Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #42

I think it's worth noting that the violent spree-killer in question 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #46

Much like the person who shoot people at that Unitarian Church had not listened to the sermon... Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #51

People are always quick with the HappyMe Jul 2012 #56

Did you see Harry potter? abelenkpe Jul 2012 #69

MEDIA VIOLENCE: FACTS & STATISTICS liberal N proud Jul 2012 #50

You said "A movie doesn't draw a crowd unless someone is getting blown up" Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #55

I thought since you were citing FTC's report from 12 years ago, I'd offer up some of the reaction Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #63

I'll tell you what happened to society... Javaman Jul 2012 #43

The actual lists of top grossing films do not support this theory that 'sensationalism' w/ Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #49

You don't think the first 5 movies on that last aren't over the top mellow drama? Javaman Jul 2012 #59

Wow. Harry Potter is 'vulgar'. Got it. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #68

so you only took "vulgar" from the definition. Javaman Jul 2012 #80

I said many other things which you simply refuse to address. It is you who is taking one word Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #84

and I guess you missed the part where I said... Javaman Jul 2012 #85

Yeah, I did not say I was done however. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #88

Let your ego run free. nt Javaman Jul 2012 #99

Exactly abelenkpe Jul 2012 #74

+1 nt Javaman Jul 2012 #81

Don't Canadians and Europeans see the same movies and play the same games we do? GOTV Jul 2012 #34

Yeah but they lose something when converting to metric 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #47

Hilarious :) GOTV Jul 2012 #94

Yes, they do ailsagirl Jul 2012 #53

well, an argument could me made that they have an effect there, too ... reorg Jul 2012 #71

I'd say it's the hip-hop music kids are always listening to on their boomboxes or on the music TV 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #35

Get off my lawn! Swede Jul 2012 #44

Bogdonavich's first film was about a crazed mass murdering shooter. 'Targets' it was called. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #39

I'm glad somebody pointed this out Blecht Jul 2012 #75

so, how did this film "brutalize the audience"? reorg Jul 2012 #77

I don't recall saying that it did so. I simply find Peter's words to be less than forthcoming Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #82

did he show violence then reorg Jul 2012 #83

My point was that Peter leaves his own work out of the equation when his own work actually Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #87

I don't see it reorg Jul 2012 #95

just watched "Targets" and can now confirm that you're not telling the truth reorg Jul 2012 #100

After reading "Killing of the Unicorn", I am convinced that Bogdonavich doesn't get irony Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #86

Exactly. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #91

The example of 'Dorothy' -killed by someone who came from another country. randome Jul 2012 #41

They must really pack the theaters in Syria. Swede Jul 2012 #45

"We're brutalizing the audience. We're going to end up like the Roman circus, live at the Coliseum." BOG PERSON Jul 2012 #52

For the most part, I disagree that movies and video games have much influence on us. randome Jul 2012 #67

I think Locrian Jul 2012 #73

does Bogdanovich have regulations in mind? reorg Jul 2012 #78

Sorry, entertainment is a reflection of society thelordofhell Jul 2012 #79

You win the thread. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #89

some movies are reflections of society grasswire Jul 2012 #90

Go see a movie in another country thelordofhell Jul 2012 #98

advertisements have influence on us -- why would the same not be true of movies? grasswire Jul 2012 #92

I feel more like movies, music, video games, art etc. raouldukelives Jul 2012 #103