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218. The person whose proposals you been touting. Also, I've no need to prove *anything* to you,...

Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:34 PM

Feb 2018

...but I'll go ahead and humor you.

To paraphrase what I said in post#211 to someone who thought some of my proposals were weak sauce...

Laws that don't get enacted save no one. Half a loaf is better than no loaf at all,
at least for those of us who don't value the struggle over than the reason for the struggle.

...and repost #215 above in its entirety as it pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter:

You seem to have ...overlooked... my several gun control proposals in this very thread

But that's okay- I'm used to dealing with members of 'amen choruses' who don't
like it a bit when someone dares suggest that theirs might not be the entirety of The Truth,
The Light, and The Way-- IOW, the "EVERYTHING our way or no way at all" school of
gun control advocacy.

Going on five years ago, I had it out with the same crowd in this rather long thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10022697225

Best comment, IMO:

There are some people who would rather wait 100 years to get lifesaving legislation passed than be forced to compromise their own Kwik-Dri Perma-Bond notions

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What could be done differently about gun control that would actually work? [View all] friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 OP

I'm not joking: If a million black men applied for gun permits, this republican congress Squinch Feb 2018 #1

I don't think you're joking, and your assessment is probably correct... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #3

Yup!!! dhol82 Feb 2018 #4

Also, if you could get some Muslims out there voicing their second amendment rights dhol82 Feb 2018 #7

Good thinking! Squinch Feb 2018 #24

+1, Have them training in garb that looks like the video FAUX News loops but make sure there's masse uponit7771 Feb 2018 #36

Holy shit! What an idea. But is that in the application? ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #9

There was a time this was true, but not anymore. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #21

Sure aiko. Sure. They really want that. Squinch Feb 2018 #23

There are more African Americans, latinos, and women in... aikoaiko Feb 2018 #30

Yes, and if a million black men took them up on it, republicans would shit pickles. Squinch Feb 2018 #32

African Americans are buying guns in increasing numbers: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #37

Uh huh. Just enough to be welcomed by gun companies going bankrupt. Not enough to make Squinch Feb 2018 #43

Well then, get out there and promote gun ownership by persons of color friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #47

WTF is wrong with you? Squinch Feb 2018 #50

Its a patronizing amount, typical winger crap to obfuscate the amount of people. If 10 PoC owned gun uponit7771 Feb 2018 #53

And J17's point about Philando Castile is well taken: they may want the money from Squinch Feb 2018 #57

Oh ... so TRUE !!! So TRUE !!! They want to spread the donor base don't give a shit about non whites uponit7771 Feb 2018 #58

Out of curiosity, is either one of you two a person of color? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #62

Yes and A gun club with black folk in it. NRA is still culturally a whites only group, just like the uponit7771 Feb 2018 #63

At least those two are splitting gun owners away from the NRA, which is vital friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #67

Check the racial statistics regarding gun violence and tell me again guns are a white mans problem. MadDAsHell Feb 2018 #72

just look at the NRA's silence on Philando Castile JI7 Feb 2018 #39

No ... they're "courting" us like the KGOP courts us with the most amount of condescension available uponit7771 Feb 2018 #38

why didn't the NRA say anything about the shooting of Philando Castile ? JI7 Feb 2018 #40

Yes. That did seem a very pointed message to black men who take the gun companies up on Squinch Feb 2018 #49

AMEN !!! uponit7771 Feb 2018 #34

permits johnmont Feb 2018 #51

+1, permits just like any other WMD like a grenade or a .50 cal uponit7771 Feb 2018 #59

They nipped that in the bud by creating a culture where a quarter of black men have felonies. joshcryer Feb 2018 #83

All the better to scare the living shit out of Squinch Feb 2018 #100

They'd probably regulated it the same way they're regulating voting these days. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #106

A Permanent Assault Weapons Ban Would Be a Good Place to Start dlk Feb 2018 #2

How do you propose to do this, after 24 years or so of failed attempts to do so? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #10

So you aren't really wanting to hear people's opinions, you just want to tell everyone Squinch Feb 2018 #55

Oh no, he's here to help BeyondGeography Feb 2018 #79

There are plenty of people out there that will tell you that your preexisting beliefs are true friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #157

While you are here, many thanks to you and your friends BeyondGeography Feb 2018 #214

You seem to have ...overlooked... my several gun control proposals in this very thread friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #215

... Major Nikon Feb 2018 #98

I 'tell' no such thing. I say gun control *as currently mooted in the US* hasn't worked friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #159

Buy them back. At $100,000 per firearm. EL34x4 Feb 2018 #198

"Won't be cheap" is kinda of a understatement... EX500rider Feb 2018 #201

Woops, that is the number of gun owners not the number of guns. EX500rider Feb 2018 #205

supposed actual gun # in US Kustom Feb 2018 #223

State level initiatives to control guns. After all, the 2nd amendment is all about states Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #5

I think that issue was settled with Heller and McDonald SCOTUS cases aikoaiko Feb 2018 #22

In home, and it didn't say what kind and how many guns. Besides they overruled previous precedent Hoyt Feb 2018 #89

They didn't overturn anything. It was an unsettled matter. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #90

It actually wasn't "unsettled". They overturned existing precedent hueymahl Feb 2018 #221

The states have been at the forefront of liberalizing gun laws for 20 years hack89 Feb 2018 #102

First off, quit listening to people who cant imagine life without a bunch of friggin guns. Hoyt Feb 2018 #6

That right there. Our right to live should matter more than their fucking guns. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #19

I said this in another thread.... MontanaMama Feb 2018 #69

I had words with a humper in another thread I had to walk away. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #70

How well has this approach worked for you, personally? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #25

Not important. You gun-strokers/promoters are in the minority. You depend on a white wing Hoyt Feb 2018 #91

Not important? If you (the plural 'you') can't get the votes, nothing changes friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #142

Maybe if gunners would stop voting for white wing GOPers to protect their precious lethal weapons, Hoyt Feb 2018 #183

What you're engaging in is heckling from the sidelines, not activism friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #184

What you are engaging in is gun promotion and selfishness. You need your friggin guns to live, so Hoyt Feb 2018 #185

I own no guns, and have said so on DU repeatedly over the years friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #191

Yeah, right. You just promote guns and hang out in the Gungeon because you like the company. Hoyt Feb 2018 #192

Engaging with those who are politically 'all hat and no cattle' is also fun friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #195

Gun registration. Not for school shootings, but for 90% of gun deaths missingm Feb 2018 #8

Add background checks to that. MiniMe Feb 2018 #64

My thoughts are that the US has always been armed to the teeth Yupster Feb 2018 #11

Moore's Bowling for Columbine covers that well. Fear. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2018 #16

"The Home of the Brave" Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #109

It is cultural DBoon Feb 2018 #20

Been wondering that myself. MarvinGardens Feb 2018 #180

Heh. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2018 #12

So far, it's been "same old same old". C'mon people, NEW ideas!! friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #17

So your purpose in this is to shoot down anything anyone says. I somehow forgot that Squinch Feb 2018 #61

What's been tried before clearly hasn't worked. Put the "Two Minutes' Hate" aside... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #65

. Squinch Feb 2018 #93

Vent all you want, but your (and our) problem remains: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #140

Okay, try this new idea. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #107

Unfortunately the government has to pay for stuff they seize.. $$$$ EX500rider Feb 2018 #121

No matter what is suggested, PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #133

Not unreasonable to point out reasons something might not work.. EX500rider Feb 2018 #134

Is holding (at least in ones' own opinion) the moral high ground important if nothing changes? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #141

No!!! YOU are saying it cannot be done. longship Feb 2018 #204

I oppose most of that. MarvinGardens Feb 2018 #181

Thats completely insane. Codeine Feb 2018 #217

Vote for people that will enact gun control legislation on a federal basis the trumps state law. LuvLoogie Feb 2018 #13

All proposals made so far have been attempted- and failed friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #14

There's a name for someone mac56 Feb 2018 #160

I don't mind being thought a prick if it gets people to act effectively friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #163

to truly solve this, there are so many moving parts NRaleighLiberal Feb 2018 #15

"Too complex for our too political, polarized times." friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #33

"handguns for self defense for those who wish them, rifles for hunters" EX500rider Feb 2018 #124

It's not any specific law, it is about culture change DBoon Feb 2018 #18

Great minds think alike you beat me to it wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #27

owning an AR-15 doesn't make you cool or glamorous DBoon Feb 2018 #28

Make a commercial with a hot chick LeftInTX Feb 2018 #95

Yes!!!!! LeftInTX Feb 2018 #94

This, I believe, is the correct answer. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #110

We have to make owning a gun an anti social action as we did with smoking. wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #26

Have you ever persuaded anyone that didn't already dislike guns to shun gun owners? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #31

People have to do this on a personal level. It is an awareness thing wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #99

Nothing wrong with that friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #150

Start with banning the manufacture & sales of new semi-auto firearms samir.g Feb 2018 #29

I think you mean have a Constitutional Convention 1st to change the 2nd. EX500rider Feb 2018 #126

a guest on Lawrence KT2000 Feb 2018 #35

Don't work that "Bill of Needs" approach too hard-the RW likes to use that for stuff *we* like: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #44

Legally disallow the NRA from donating to or lobbying the government. forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #41

How do you propose to do that? Sounds like a 'bill of attainder' to me: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #45

Someone asked what could be done differently. forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #48

The guy you are responding to is the one who asked it. With his responses, he is showing Squinch Feb 2018 #52

"...he is showing what his true purpose is" Spit the mealies out of your mouth, and inform us... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #71

Which request got the expected reply: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #154

Still a bill of attainder, unless you restrict *all* persons and orgs similarly friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #56

Which is not a bad idea at all... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #164

There has to be a social stigma, large monetary expense and lots of red tape for procon Feb 2018 #42

Title guns like cars. Pay fees for annual stickers. Proof of insurance. Freelancer Feb 2018 #46

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #54

I like that: No political pre-approval for purchase or licensing, and you can take your gun... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #74

If you accept that gun ownership is a Constitutional right NickB79 Feb 2018 #199

There has to be an uneasy truce that can be reached Freelancer Feb 2018 #210

Strick ammo control. PufPuf23 Feb 2018 #60

Treat guns like we do cars. Blue_true Feb 2018 #66

Actually a good idea, but remember some *other* aspects of cars friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #68

Must give you a thrill to ask for honest MontanaMama Feb 2018 #73

Actually, it's depressing- amen choruses are satisfying, feel good, and change nothing outside friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #75

Shock Tactics StuckInTexas Feb 2018 #76

Also, and perhaps most importantly, money. StuckInTexas Feb 2018 #77

I agree with you on the money part, not on the atrocity porn friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #78

Charge the NRA with weapons trafficking, RICO violations, and shut them down for good. Hekate Feb 2018 #80

I don't think the NRA actually sells any guns so a trafficking charge will be a stretch. EX500rider Feb 2018 #128

1) They are the lobbying arm of the weapons industry. 2) They laundered Russian money... Hekate Feb 2018 #206

You should present a serious license every time to purchase a gun or possess or transport a gun... Sancho Feb 2018 #81

This is a great post hueymahl Feb 2018 #172

Feel free to copy the post... Sancho Feb 2018 #175

One posibility... Dale Neiburg Feb 2018 #82

The insurance idea keeps getting tossed around and is absurd Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #86

I believe I've read this same response from you elsewhere. phylny Feb 2018 #92

If you mandate they cover intentional crime then nobody will wrote the policies Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #108

If the insurance is cost prohibitive, it'll curb gun ownership. phylny Feb 2018 #111

And thats why such a law would be unconstitutional Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #113

I'm willing to take that risk. Perhaps you and the gun owners here have a better solution phylny Feb 2018 #114

I have solutions Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #116

all true Egnever Feb 2018 #122

Your idea is predicated on the idea that criminals will buy the insurance Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #131

no its not Egnever Feb 2018 #132

A start that will cause my harm than good Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #137

Awesome crystal ball you have there. Egnever Feb 2018 #138

The particular 'something' you want done would have consequences opposite to what you desire friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #143

Says who? Egnever Feb 2018 #144

That says nothing about the insurance angle you've touted in multiple posts friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #149

Have not given up on it at all Egnever Feb 2018 #152

Mandated car insurance doesn't pay for criminal acts, which is what you've stated you want friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #155

in order to reap that profit they would have to identify the risk correctly Egnever Feb 2018 #156

What if they don't price people out of the market and/or go broke? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #161

Then they will have judged the risk correctly Egnever Feb 2018 #166

You really dont have a clue here Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #167

It's difficult for anyone to examine their own prejudices objectively- you, me, or anyone else friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #168

You know, I'm 60 years old. I remember when there was very little phylny Feb 2018 #123

But people did have guns Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #125

Yeah, but back then, I don't remember gunners acting like this -- Hoyt Feb 2018 #186

So, technology in the 60s and 70s hasn't evolved to allow guns tht phylny Feb 2018 #190

Read their post again- those guns already existed, with less regulation on sales friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #196

Technology on guns has changed very little since the 60s Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #197

Bullet tax. joshcryer Feb 2018 #84

Restrict the sale of ammunition FarCenter Feb 2018 #118

The first question you need to ask is what is your goal Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #85

Shame. We need a public relations campaign that makes people feel ashamed. yardwork Feb 2018 #87

I was thinking along this same vein MontanaMama Feb 2018 #96

Let's start a movement. yardwork Feb 2018 #119

Yep. I'd like to see something like the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall KTM Feb 2018 #146

We should stop putting the cart before the horse. Captain Stern Feb 2018 #88

You can have all the Assault Weapons, rifles and bump-stocks as you want maxrandb Feb 2018 #97

Send elected officials to DC who are not in the pocket of the NRA. LonePirate Feb 2018 #101

Okay, this is gonna be unpopular, but... DetlefK Feb 2018 #103

I'm okay with this. phylny Feb 2018 #115

It isnt gun owners responsibility to ensure other citizens follow the law OU65802 Feb 2018 #162

Think of the outrage here if that was tried in re certain other identifiable groups... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #165

Replace gun owners with a religious group and see if your argument still sounds valid Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #170

Yep still valid, if I were baptist and the catholics OU65802 Feb 2018 #194

It's not my responsibility. If gun owners refuse to allow reasonable measures phylny Feb 2018 #189

Responsible gun owners like myself have already allowed hundreds OU65802 Feb 2018 #193

So what do you propose? n/t phylny Feb 2018 #200

We need our old members to speak up Yupster Feb 2018 #208

Stop calling it "gun control" call it "gun safety" Merlot Feb 2018 #104

It's been tried, and AFAIK has yet to catch on friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #145

Perfect is the enemy of good enough. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #105

Felons are prohibited from owning firearms and there is a mandatory jail sentence already. EX500rider Feb 2018 #130

Sweep away all the NRApublicans who are taking #NRAROUBLES. lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #112

How about if you start first? MineralMan Feb 2018 #117

GOOD POINT!!!! I'm also waiting bluestarone Feb 2018 #173

Here ya go: 1) Mandatory background checks for every gun sale. 2)Open up the instant check system... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #188

That's it? OilemFirchen Feb 2018 #203

'Reasonable' laws that don't get enacted save no one. Half a loaf is better than no loaf at all... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #211

If we want instant, meaningful change we have to overhaul our political system. kcr Feb 2018 #120

IN short, Ban the Republican Party Fluke a Snooker Feb 2018 #127

I don't think we should ban any parties kcr Feb 2018 #171

Elect conscientious people who don't masturbate with their guns at night. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #129

More focus on ballot initiatives Nevernose Feb 2018 #135

It would never happen d_r Feb 2018 #136

Start locally, with your family, your community... hunter Feb 2018 #139

Prosecute the NRA for laundering Russian money into campaigns meadowlander Feb 2018 #147

Agree on your first idea, but the second wouldn't work even if it made it through court friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #153

Maybe there could be more mental health clinics that are low cost/no cost WhiteTara Feb 2018 #148

Call it "gun sense" , gun control is a rightwing term Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #151

I see a lot of great ideas here but OU65802 Feb 2018 #158

I disagree - See Post 81 hueymahl Feb 2018 #174

Post 81 is the umpteenth repost of that poster's proposal for a 'TSA for firearms'... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #213

And yet you still refuse to respond to it hueymahl Feb 2018 #220

The self-importance is getting a bit thick. I owe neither you nor that poster any debate whatsoever friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #225

Good day to you, sir hueymahl Feb 2018 #234

Ask Australia tenderfoot Feb 2018 #169

You can't be a mental health patient. redstatebluegirl Feb 2018 #176

If you are truly interested in an answer to your question, and not simply trolling hueymahl Feb 2018 #177

They've been posting that same cut-n-paste proposal for years. It's a 'TSA for guns', basically. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #212

Who is they? hueymahl Feb 2018 #216

The person whose proposals you been touting. Also, I've no need to prove *anything* to you,... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #218

You are right, You don't need to PROVE anything to me hueymahl Feb 2018 #219

That poster can speak for themselves. I don't 'do' demands from self-appointed white knights friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #226

Got it hueymahl Feb 2018 #233

Doing.Some. shanny Feb 2018 #178

People control: Regulate the Unorganized Militia. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #179

That's easy rock Feb 2018 #182

Exactly. Shut those Ruskie racists down. Hoyt Feb 2018 #187

We Could Look to Australia for Specific Steps dlk Feb 2018 #202

This thread needs fumigation Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #207

Tax guns. XRubicon Feb 2018 #209

Ban online ammo sales jmowreader Feb 2018 #222

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Quite right on this! usr1987 Jan 2019 #237

You come here and post in a nearly year old gun thread? rzemanfl Jan 2019 #238

Start with passing CT gun laws, they are proven to save lives. Exultant Democracy Feb 2018 #227

Massachusetts laws mostly work for me (save for AG Healey's recent security theater in re rifles) friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #230

PERMANENT assault weapon ban. dchill Feb 2018 #228

Negotiate aikoaiko Feb 2018 #229

Follow Australia's example taken after the Port Arthur massacre in the mid-90s. They haven't had... brush Feb 2018 #231

May I suggest the dreaded C word? customerserviceguy Feb 2018 #232