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traladeda

(52 posts)
16. word
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:11 PM
Feb 2018

Bob Altemeyer says @ 30 percent, similarly How Democracies Die authors also say @ 30 percent. But really whatever the number -- 20, 30, or 40 percent -- it gives the right a helluva head start.

There are so many prongs to address it can be overwhelming. First, the people who want to vote but can't because of suppression. Then the devaluing of votes for Democrats from gerrymandering. Then the Orwellion language and lies of the Right Wing media machine, and since the MSM is so utterly useless in the face of repub machinations, we might as well throw them in with the right wing media cabal. The 4th estate is a joke. They work for access, not voters. And they are so afraid of the right wing, they use false equivalence and false balance to obfuscate just how radical the right has become.

Which leads to (but isn't the sole cause of) apathy. The apathetic masses of reasonable people need to vote. Every single time. Because as noted, authoritarian followers do. Otherwise, we are deeply fucked. Like with Obama, there must be overwhelming numbers so the Grand Old Party of Putin can't rig elections. Certainly, the strategies employed by the right will never work on the left. We've got loads of data to support that conclusion. But what about the center? What works on the apathetic moderates? Scare the shit out of them? Piss them off? Appeal to aspirations? Stage ridiculous stunts ala Newt so the media has to pay attention? Or will we NEVER be able to count on them?

I am continually flabbergasted at the disinterest of people. How come everyone isn't running around like their hair is on fire? How come we're not in the fucking streets? How can they say "meh" and shrug their shoulders at the Russian attack? If the media would report the truth and stop soft-peddling it with "collusion" or "interference" etc. Call it a fucking act of war. Call it an attack. (I realize the media isn't the sole cause of anything, but it is a particular point of outrage for me, so I always end up ranting about it.)

Similarly, one would expect people would be motivated to vote if they knew how a well-organized minority has successfully usurped the will of the nation. If they knew how religious zealots and extremist libertarians have and will continue to legislate private morality and deregulate everything that protects people and creates a civilized society?

But they don't. Or maybe because we don't have an echo chamber, it doesn't sink in.

I think I wandered away from my point. But in so doing, made my point? (with that sort of shoddy reasoning, I might be an authoritarian follower too.) The point is, it's a huge problem. A unified strategy that addresses each prong of the attack is needed, a means of disseminating and repeating it is also needed, but since Democrats aren't authoritarian followers, and since the majority of American's aren't authoritarian followers (thank be, and also fuck, there goes democracy) we're never gonna see the left distribute daily talking points and marching orders that the faithful will carry out.

Everybody has an opinion and in a Democracy, you get to have it. Democracy is slow and messy. Authoritarianism is single-minded and its consequences swift.

So the question is then, what can I do? And will it be enough? (And did I wander away from the point again?)

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Depends on if they can still win elections by only having 40% of the vote Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #1
I think it's more like 20% SHRED Feb 2018 #2
Of the population, and the important part is while one out of two non Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #4
Good point SHRED Feb 2018 #5
true. poboy2 Feb 2018 #15
word traladeda Feb 2018 #16
We need to mobilize the college FIRST VOTERS this fall. OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #17
Wow, that is an insightful statement. pangaia Feb 2018 #18
Great post SHRED Feb 2018 #20
And Further Help From The Russians....nt global1 Feb 2018 #6
Remember when RT (Russia Today) was posted here all the time oberliner Feb 2018 #3
You Can Be Sure Those Repugs That Still Defend Trumo.... global1 Feb 2018 #7
Not bullets but ballots will stop the Rethugs. Sneederbunk Feb 2018 #8
This goes wide and deep /Manafort (Russian agent) picked Pence for V.P. Botany Feb 2018 #9
Continue welding GOP-Republican brand to Trump. He is culmination of 40 years of their efforts. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2018 #10
I wonder if Muellers indictments were the real reason Rachel Brand bailed. tanyev Feb 2018 #11
Why would that make her? SHRED Feb 2018 #13
I'm not saying it changes why she resigned, but it may have affected her timing on resigning. tanyev Feb 2018 #14
It's hard to escape the suspicion of moral cowardice on her behalf. This is the time for people OnDoutside Feb 2018 #19
Exactly SHRED Feb 2018 #21
As the Russian attack CLEARLY CONTINUES BamaRefugee Feb 2018 #12
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