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137. that was my point, i was showing that Sanders waited for months before going to Hillary

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:43 PM

Feb 2018

It looks really dodgy that he waited so long.

Something has to give, as this entire Russia thing, if it goes badly for not just Trump, but bleeds over to non-Republicans, is going to tear apart our Party as well. I am so conflicted when it comes to Sanders, I never supported him, but I also assumed he was a clean actor.

The true danger is if he is circumstantially implied to be tainted as a Russian change agent (without this actually being remotely legally proven) This is horrid for the country, as his millions of supporters will go all out anti anyone who they feel (rightly or wrongly) is calling their saint Bernie a Russian plant. It is a perfect wedge division to dis-empower the Democratic party.

I still have complete faith that Mueller will get to the bottom of this dirty rotten mess.

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Oh, damn. She went there! [View all] orangecrush Feb 2018 OP

Loved her from the moment I saw her on the cable Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #1

I was a Bernie supporter in the primary orangecrush Feb 2018 #2

This was unnsolicited help from agents of a foreign government for their own purposes. CentralMass Feb 2018 #4

Yep ornotna Feb 2018 #21

Yes. Thank you. zentrum Feb 2018 #28

Yeah and there are people here who are really loving it rwsanders Feb 2018 #45

Im pretty sure Bernie did NOT request GWC58 Feb 2018 #180

Yes. Mueller probably knows if and to what extent there may have been "collusion" Sophia4 Feb 2018 #61

With regard to Jill Stein, who went to dinner with Putin, I think there was a very high likelihood. pnwmom Feb 2018 #87

I think that the case for Stein's involvement is easy Gothmog Feb 2018 #152

Jill Stein was personally involved. lark Feb 2018 #156

That is not proof that she knew or in any way condoned the hacking. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #160

I don't think anyone's blaming her for the hacking. nt pnwmom Feb 2018 #162

Not proof no, but this isn't a court of law. lark Feb 2018 #196

If she were, she would have been indicted by now. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #197

I don't know about that. lark Feb 2018 #198

Yes. He is saving big names and direct conspiracy charges for later, but I doubt Sophia4 Feb 2018 #200

Why do you think that? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #205

Putin hates Hillary and supported her opponents Danascot Feb 2018 #68

Exactly. Hillary had to be defeated. Everyone against her was promoted. yardwork Feb 2018 #107

This is a ridiculous line of reasoning poli3 Feb 2018 #128

Were these republicans women? eom Control-Z Feb 2018 #164

Ah but Clinton was SoS. She had massive gravitas. PatrickforO Feb 2018 #177

that's why he didn't help McCain and Romney the way he helped Trump JI7 Feb 2018 #185

Why would Putin support someone who insulted him harder than Hillary ever did? poli3 Feb 2018 #129

Lol. Right. It's all about saying mean things. yardwork Feb 2018 #149

Eyerroll+1. Like the logic of gunners, there is none. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #159

No Trump advocated the positions of Putin standingtall Feb 2018 #191

Then why didn't Bernie's campaign speak out against it when they became aware? pnwmom Feb 2018 #75

I'd asked question several times recently, and the BoB response......? BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #81

What in that article has anything to do with Sanders or his campaign. CentralMass Feb 2018 #97

His campaign was mentioned in both of the articles we were talking about. pnwmom Feb 2018 #100

Your own response in post #4 acknowledges Bernie got help BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #122

My response was to reply #2 If you care look CentralMass Feb 2018 #155

There is no bullshit going on. The indictment claims that Bernie benefitted...... BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #175

Can anyone post a link to where he spoke out about it once told? ehrnst Feb 2018 #204

"Since the Russians were so active in doing that, those Bernie people who were frothing betsuni Feb 2018 #103

.... ehrnst Feb 2018 #206

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #112

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #203

Unsolicited and uncooperative with I assume is your statement? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #151

Bingo! Ferrets are Cool Feb 2018 #161

Same. MelissaB Feb 2018 #5

Me, too Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #22

Chuck Todd pressed him on MTP this morning and Bernie answered very dae Feb 2018 #63

I missed that orangecrush Feb 2018 #65

here is the whole MTP Sanders segment Exotica Feb 2018 #120

Thank you! orangecrush Feb 2018 #140

I thought he was being vague, referring to becoming aware of the bots pnwmom Feb 2018 #85

He said they went to the Clinton campaign in September 2016 Exotica Feb 2018 #121

That's true. But he ALSO said they found out months before then. So why did they wait? pnwmom Feb 2018 #136

that was my point, i was showing that Sanders waited for months before going to Hillary Exotica Feb 2018 #137

And it wasn't Sanders who went to Hillary. It was John Mattes. Did he go behind pnwmom Feb 2018 #138

that is a good point, here is more on Mattes Exotica Feb 2018 #141

He was being vague. He was only responsive to what R B Garr Feb 2018 #125

They Would've Sliced & Diced Me. Feb 2018 #7

If he runs again in 2020 I hope the gloves come off and comradebillyboy Feb 2018 #130

If He Does Me. Feb 2018 #139

Agreed Gothmog Feb 2018 #148

You know what they would have done to him jmowreader Feb 2018 #47

Correct oswaldactedalone Feb 2018 #106

They would also have shown Red Square military parades jmowreader Feb 2018 #134

She is great syringis Feb 2018 #51

Following her now orangecrush Feb 2018 #64

WOW!!! - OC...just read your previous OP - nice work...here - want another asiliveandbreathe Feb 2018 #3

Thank you! orangecrush Feb 2018 #10

I am sure more slicing and dicing will be forth coming from asiliveandbreathe Feb 2018 #13

Thanks for posting this! I think it deserves its own OP. I almost missed it. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #89

It was late last night..and in an effort to move the conversation forward asiliveandbreathe Feb 2018 #124

Yes, thanks. Good read. Hortensis Feb 2018 #186

Havent we all been saying the same thing for a long time? secondwind Feb 2018 #6

I'm pretty thick orangecrush Feb 2018 #14

I look at Bernie's record - his unfailing support for causes I believe in. His willingness to 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #8

No doubt! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2018 #11

Meaning what? 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #12

Ummm... no doubt, as in I AGREE with you 100%... I would do it again TOO! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2018 #15

Thanks! 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #18

Yeah, HUGE Bernie supporter in the primary. Love how many prospective 2020 candidates... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2018 #80

I think so too! I'm keeping my Bernie buttons! 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #92

Ohhh yeahhh!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2018 #135

Same here! chwaliszewski Feb 2018 #34

Me too. zentrum Feb 2018 #31

Same here. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2018 #43

Same here lunatica Feb 2018 #74

Same here Martin Eden Feb 2018 #181

Absolutely. Kentonio Feb 2018 #189

But, "Americans are not staying up every day worrying about Russia's interference in our election." MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #9

+1 dalton99a Feb 2018 #16

I worry about it a great deal orangecrush Feb 2018 #17

And five times "No" on the Brady Bill, and "No" on gun manufacturers' liability. George II Feb 2018 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Feb 2018 #67

in regards to "Bernie and the Amber alert vote" meme (and I am no Sanders fangirl) Exotica Feb 2018 #172

Isn't it about time Tribalceltic Feb 2018 #19

Oh, damn! orangecrush Feb 2018 #20

How DARE he run for office at such a high level? Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #25

I was warrprayer orangecrush Feb 2018 #32

Been here for eons Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #46

"I'm keeping orangecrush Feb 2018 #49

Gaasaaa! Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #53

..... orangecrush Feb 2018 #57

Nice! pressbox69 Feb 2018 #167

WOW Me. Feb 2018 #26

He ran in the Primary. zentrum Feb 2018 #41

I really hope you are right orangecrush Feb 2018 #58

Those who ultimately put it on nasty old politics Hortensis Feb 2018 #187

He improved WHO as a campaigner. Wwcd Feb 2018 #69

Four Big Ones. zentrum Feb 2018 #116

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #117

Oh I will. zentrum Feb 2018 #123

he wasn't a Democrat until he ran for president Skittles Feb 2018 #176

Wish more Democrats zentrum Feb 2018 #178

LOL Skittles Feb 2018 #179

You mean more Democrats can lose the primary standingtall Feb 2018 #192

Even the DNC zentrum Feb 2018 #194

The split that just happened to depress turnout for Hillary in the GE. yardwork Feb 2018 #108

Rec. nt LexVegas Feb 2018 #23

Thanks for the rec! orangecrush Feb 2018 #24

Why accuse Bernie? IronLionZion Feb 2018 #29

Huh? George II Feb 2018 #30

I am not accusing. orangecrush Feb 2018 #33

I know, I just highly doubt Bernie would have wanted any of this IronLionZion Feb 2018 #35

I hope you are right. orangecrush Feb 2018 #38

Yeah well, he needs to address it.. Cha Feb 2018 #40

True orangecrush Feb 2018 #50

That's true. rockfordfile Feb 2018 #54

This Sunsky Feb 2018 #110

Mahalo, Sunsky! Cha Feb 2018 #145

It will never happen. I'd best not say more. comradebillyboy Feb 2018 #131

Yeah, I know what you mean.. Cha Feb 2018 #146

I tape and watch Ari's show every night Gothmog Feb 2018 #153

Ari Melber is dead on about this.. I don't Cha Feb 2018 #157

I love it when Ari goes in depth on the legal issues Gothmog Feb 2018 #169

That is a great tweet from Ari. R B Garr Feb 2018 #170

Yes, Dots being Connected! A Lovely Cha Feb 2018 #171

Huh? Wwcd Feb 2018 #70

Winning was not the benefit Sanders derived from the 2016 primary. The schism that still exists to.. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #98

How much of THAT is real v fake, though? The Russians, Hortensis Feb 2018 #188

Wow! thanks, Asha Rangappa & orange crush.. Cha Feb 2018 #36

I was very naive orangecrush Feb 2018 #39

You're an honest "was naive" Cha Feb 2018 #42

You are very kind orangecrush Feb 2018 #52

Given how brief and cryptic her tweet is I'm not exactly sure where she has gone. jalan48 Feb 2018 #37

it's a response to another Tweet JI7 Feb 2018 #44

I see that-just not quite getting what she is trying to say here. jalan48 Feb 2018 #48

I would say orangecrush Feb 2018 #55

Well, there's this. Maybe Warren and Brazile were in on it with the Russians too? jalan48 Feb 2018 #66

K & R SunSeeker Feb 2018 #56

.... orangecrush Feb 2018 #59

I think Bernie's complaints moondust Feb 2018 #60

Many questions orangecrush Feb 2018 #62

Seems Hillary was the only one that didn't cry "its rigged"! Wwcd Feb 2018 #71

She wasn't running against Trump orangecrush Feb 2018 #77

Exactly. And she still carried on her clean campaign through all the corrupt players & their games Wwcd Feb 2018 #88

"campaign tool"? moondust Feb 2018 #79

She never used "rigged" as Trump did in 2016 and Still does. Wwcd Feb 2018 #91

Yeah, she just wrote a book about "what happened" Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #86

Huh? mcar Feb 2018 #115

Exactly. zentrum Feb 2018 #118

K & R ..Thank you for posting this Wwcd Feb 2018 #72

Very welcome! orangecrush Feb 2018 #78

Enough is enough. Their words will no longer hide their true colors. Wwcd Feb 2018 #82

So...is she a Republican? Most ex FBI people are. Not many Dems PatrickforO Feb 2018 #73

Mueller orangecrush Feb 2018 #76

So why publish this casting aspersion at Bernie? PatrickforO Feb 2018 #83

One other thought. PatrickforO Feb 2018 #84

He said himself in an interview that they all knew the Russians were involved. Wwcd Feb 2018 #96

Yes indeed and many of his admirers refuse to acknowlege that fact. comradebillyboy Feb 2018 #132

We'll let Mueller tell us about Bernie. Wwcd Feb 2018 #90

Exactly! Too many coincidences! R B Garr Feb 2018 #93

He left the campaign with $10 mill. FEC never did get an answer to that mysterious amt. Wwcd Feb 2018 #94

Right again. No accountability to the FEC and all R B Garr Feb 2018 #101

Paul Manafort's former partner Tad Devine? That Tad Devine? lapucelle Feb 2018 #113

Yes! That Manafort komrad Tad Devine surely has some R B Garr Feb 2018 #126

Has Mueller interviewed Josh Uretsky? lapucelle Feb 2018 #114

Oh, yes, Josh Urestsky! We need to revisit that R B Garr Feb 2018 #127

I totally agree! denvine Feb 2018 #174

K&R betsuni Feb 2018 #95

K&R Jamaal510 Feb 2018 #99

I REALLY wish I could say what I REALLY think Skittles Feb 2018 #102

The truth is coming to light orangecrush Feb 2018 #144

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #104

Right you are. comradebillyboy Feb 2018 #133

That's very... Mike Nelson Feb 2018 #105

K&R Sunsky Feb 2018 #109

EXCELLENT point! orangecrush Feb 2018 #143

This Trips My "Overreaction" Alarm ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #111

DU rec... SidDithers Feb 2018 #119

Thanks, Sid orangecrush Feb 2018 #142

K&R Gothmog Feb 2018 #147

Thanks Gothmog! orangecrush Feb 2018 #150

You are welcomed Gothmog Feb 2018 #154

Fearless. Thank you! I have a crush WhiteTara Feb 2018 #158

Fearless orangecrush Feb 2018 #165

No, the indictment charges some Russians. malthaussen Feb 2018 #163

There are questions orangecrush Feb 2018 #166

And one should, perhaps, not speculate in advance of those answers. malthaussen Feb 2018 #168

I am withholding judgement orangecrush Feb 2018 #173

Seriously? KPN Feb 2018 #182

I am still friends orangecrush Feb 2018 #183

What questions? KPN Feb 2018 #184

I'm fast coming to the conclusion that this place is never going to unify in time for the midterms Kentonio Feb 2018 #190

No disunity orangecrush Feb 2018 #193

You start a thread with the title 'Oh, damn. She went there!' melman Feb 2018 #195

The title orangecrush Feb 2018 #199

So in what way is this thread an attempt to do that? Kentonio Feb 2018 #201

it's not. orangecrush Feb 2018 #208

It's a free country at the end of the day. Kentonio Feb 2018 #209

Thanks for sharing this! I'm not sure how... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #202

Thank you! orangecrush Feb 2018 #207