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49. I think the post is inaccurate

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:32 PM

Feb 2018

From the article:

Tops among Democrats in taking in gun-lobby funds was Rep. Henry Cuellar, a centrist Democrat from south Texas. He collected $12,099.

So he's below this Democrat. How can he be the only non-Republican in the top 25 if Cuellar accepted more?

Bernie is in the top in the Senate only. You mention 538 members in Congress, leaving one to think he's in the top 25 of 538. Again, not true.

Also, per this same website: candidate Hillary took $26+k to Bernie's 11k (as a candidate) from the gun lobby.

Don't get me wrong, I'm completely against him taking the 11k and her taking the 26k and I cannot stand the hipocrysy you rightly point out. I also don't want to re-hash the primaries. But this needs the appropriate context and what I am reading from the source and subsequent opensecrets.org - from which marketwatch pulled their numbers/stats - this has much more to it that needs to be shown to all. I've included the reference materials below.

Full disclosure. Only voted for Hillary in primaries and general. Not a Bernie guy. Just a facts guy.

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?showYear=2016&indexType=i

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=Q13&cycle=2016&recipdetail=P&mem=N&sortorder=U

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2016: Bernie Sanders among top 25 of Congressional recipients of NRA donations [View all] pnwmom Feb 2018 OP

And NRA got money from Russia, dont forget that. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #1

So by extension he was a russian plant? When he endorsed hillary, did that make her a russian plant? Tiggeroshii Feb 2018 #6

No, it means he took a lot of money from the NRA. dawg day Feb 2018 #44

Bernie Sanders took NO NRA money in 2016, per opensecrets.org. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #55

You are correct. The article seems to be WRONG. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #71

According to Open Secrets, BS took $11,129 from gun rights lobbyists in 2016. lapucelle Feb 2018 #141

And per your link, Hillary took over 26,000 dollars from the same sources. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #145

Yes I know. HRC received over $1M from gun guntrol groups as well. lapucelle Feb 2018 #147

You are right. There seems to be too much money given by too many groups trying to buy votes. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #148

That's why we need to be aware of who casts the pro-gun votes in Congress. lapucelle Feb 2018 #150

Yes, the gun votes will remain while the empty attempts R B Garr Feb 2018 #173

As per the Congressional Record, lapucelle Feb 2018 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Feb 2018 #56

Whoa! Hands off, a certain senator from a small state can't be criticized here. brush Feb 2018 #30

I want to see tax returns also...yep. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #32

Same here Gothmog Feb 2018 #35

So do I lunamagica Feb 2018 #86

Why can't we see them? What is the explanation given? nt jrthin Feb 2018 #101

Good questions. I too want to see tax returns. calimary Feb 2018 #127

Aint that the truth brush......... Old Vet Feb 2018 #52

Please don't 4nic8em Feb 2018 #161

New York is actually pretty big state. brush Feb 2018 #170

yep and he shamelessly voted against russia sanctions. will never forget this career defining vote AlexSFCA Feb 2018 #80

That was a disappointment. It revealed much to me... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #91

K&R Gothmog Feb 2018 #2

Not surprised at all. nt LexVegas Feb 2018 #3

self delete leftstreet Feb 2018 #4

But did Sanders get an A+++ rating by the NRA? mwooldri Feb 2018 #5

No. he gets a D-. Several Democrats get As though n/t leftstreet Feb 2018 #10

His highest ranking (from 1992 to present) Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #12

Why did take more than $11K from the NRA at the same time pnwmom Feb 2018 #13

Transparency is apparently a one-way street. R B Garr Feb 2018 #19

Don't know the answer to that. Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #21

I was surprised, too. He made such a point of not accepting PAC money, and then he turns pnwmom Feb 2018 #22

NRA or some other gun rights group unc70 Feb 2018 #37

Why haven't you corrected that it wasn't NRA money? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #67

Because bashing is more important than being accurate or truthful melman Feb 2018 #84

Well, it was from the gun lobby. Clinton got more than twice that: $26,713. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #74

HRC recieved over $1,000,000 from gun control advocates in 2016, lapucelle Feb 2018 #143

And double the amount of Sanders' from gun lobbyists. The OP's post was false. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #179

What's really relevant is how our elected representatives vote on gun issues. lapucelle Feb 2018 #181

MarketWatch is wrong? lapucelle Feb 2018 #183

Yes, Marketwatch gives the wrong impression... Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #187

Eight of the people on the MarketWatch list serve in the House lapucelle Feb 2018 #191

That particular list does include both Senators and Reps, but if you extend it to the top 25, sl8 Feb 2018 #192

It's stunning that BS got more special interest gun money than Senators lapucelle Feb 2018 #193

Because bashing is more important than being accurate or truthful ehrnst Feb 2018 #188

that 11K was the total going back to 1990, cumulative, also if you count the House Exotica Feb 2018 #137

Here are the numbers for the 2016 cycle only. lapucelle Feb 2018 #144

that is just a link to an article, i will show you exactly what I mean from their database Exotica Feb 2018 #153

"Do the maths"? lapucelle Feb 2018 #165

what? Exotica Feb 2018 #167

Ive already answered your question. lapucelle Feb 2018 #169

ok, thanks Exotica Feb 2018 #171

This should be a separate post to counter the misleading information here. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #177

I seem to recall him blasting Hillary for taking Wall Street money but when she EffieBlack Feb 2018 #108

Facts matter Tom Rinaldo Feb 2018 #168

Lol, Love these obvious diversions into speaking fees R B Garr Feb 2018 #172

"blasting Hillary for taking Wall Street money" Tom Rinaldo Feb 2018 #178

Hillary called them "artful smears" and I agree with her. Mueller's indictments R B Garr Feb 2018 #180

This whole thread is premised on "artful smears" of Sanders Tom Rinaldo Feb 2018 #185

Trump copied his attacks on her. That says it all. R B Garr Feb 2018 #186

Examining a voting record on guns of 25 years standing is not a smear. lapucelle Feb 2018 #195

A politician's voting record speaks for itself, whether or not there is money involved. lapucelle Feb 2018 #194

As I said in response to another poster Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #184

Those D's weren't running for President on a no-PAC campaign. nt pnwmom Feb 2018 #14

I hope he spent his $11k wisely leftstreet Feb 2018 #17

He didn't get a good grade, but he passed. lapucelle Feb 2018 #142

Really? In 2016? MineralMan Feb 2018 #7

Voted no on russian sanctions Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author AlexSFCA Feb 2018 #81

He has "evolved". NCTraveler Feb 2018 #8

But Gillibrand did not. Blue_true Feb 2018 #15

Solid. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #18

Was 'evolution'? LanternWaste Feb 2018 #45

Yes. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #48

In other candidates it's called "pivoting" ehrnst Feb 2018 #189

Thanks for the reminder. This was out there when there was question about his . . . . . Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #11

This clinched it - Im voting for Hillary in the primary hueymahl Feb 2018 #16

Yeah...nothing in the news about guns recently. LexVegas Feb 2018 #20

Just another hit job hueymahl Feb 2018 #23

Yeah, nothin' wrong with taking a little NRA money. LexVegas Feb 2018 #24

whether you are pro Bernie or anti Bernie, you must admit it is incredibly stupid for him Exotica Feb 2018 #26

See Post 38 - if right, Hillary took twice as much hueymahl Feb 2018 #102

Shame on her too then (btw, I am not a Bernie basher) Exotica Feb 2018 #105

I also went and looked at Senators all the way back to 1990 Exotica Feb 2018 #113

Thanks - good info hueymahl Feb 2018 #118

So Sanders picked up 11k from "the gun lobby" in 26 years. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2018 #128

If you count all of Congress, going back to 1990, he isn't even in the top 700 Exotica Feb 2018 #138

Details, details!! Let's bash the country's most popular politician some more!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2018 #151

I am not bashing him, I am defending him against this (IMHO) false attack (numbers wise) Exotica Feb 2018 #155

Yes I know Ex, I wasn't referring to you at all... sorry for the confusion. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2018 #158

Any politician's record on guns is an important detail. lapucelle Feb 2018 #164

++++great reminder about the 2016 Democratic Party R B Garr Feb 2018 #175

No more and no less than "any excuse to defend tin gods" LanternWaste Feb 2018 #47

Still voting Bernie in primaries - remember her emails unc70 Feb 2018 #25

Still voting for Hillary! Its not only men who lost R B Garr Feb 2018 #28

You seem to miss sarcasm unc70 Feb 2018 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author R B Garr Feb 2018 #33

New developments lead to discussion. sarah FAILIN Feb 2018 #36

Bernie has been taking steps to run again, so this is about 2020. pnwmom Feb 2018 #40

Except for Bernie! NastyRiffraff Feb 2018 #50

Bernie needs to release his tax returns before any 2020 run announcement. oasis Feb 2018 #90

Amen. Way past time to produce those taxes. nt R B Garr Feb 2018 #104

This has nothing to do with Primaries. It's about who takes donations from the NRA. Lil Missy Feb 2018 #106

Open secrets shows no NRA donations to Sanders in 2016 cycle unc70 Feb 2018 #109

You are mistaken. His record has been off limits. It is R B Garr Feb 2018 #116

You need to read the other posts in this thread unc70 Feb 2018 #117

It is not about the primaries. nt R B Garr Feb 2018 #124

at least the W$ $ they all hollered about, didnt kill anyone. samnsara Feb 2018 #27

Follow the money. nycbos Feb 2018 #29

Bernie has a D rating with the NRA Motley13 Feb 2018 #34

A D is still a passing grade. Nothing but an F is acceptable lunamagica Feb 2018 #89

2016 Presidental candidate recipients: sl8 Feb 2018 #38

So, according to this link... 4nic8em Feb 2018 #43

Yes. Other posts in this thread have been discussing this. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #107

There's sure a big jump from the "biggies" like Trump down to the rest. dawg day Feb 2018 #46

ty Go Vols Feb 2018 #57

Well, that just took the air out of this thread. egduj Feb 2018 #63

Wow! Hillary took more than twice as much as Bernie? jalan48 Feb 2018 #68

What Was Bernies Position on Guns and Product Liability Suits? TomCADem Feb 2018 #39

I don't think it was the NRA, but some other gun rights group. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #41

Not NRA. Could be National Shooting Sports Foundation and/or Safari Club Int'l thesquanderer Feb 2018 #163

Wow. Interesting. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #42

I think the post is inaccurate JDC Feb 2018 #49

The chart from the Center for Responsive Politics lists members of the House AND the Senate. pnwmom Feb 2018 #54

Ok. But Cuellar took 12k and he is a Dem. JDC Feb 2018 #59

Peter Collins D-MN also took 12k p/ The Center JDC Feb 2018 #60

The article is wrong. It says Sanders is in the "top 25." He's not. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #72

Your post says he's in "top 25 of Congressional Recipients from the NRA." That's false. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #75

The NYPost article you cite was from 2016, why are you posting now? Bluepinky Feb 2018 #51

Because of the shooting in Florida, and the Russian connections, the NRA is a current issue. pnwmom Feb 2018 #53

So did Hillary take more? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #65

Yes. More than double the amount: $26,713. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #77

But it wasn't NRA money, was it? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #66

The $11K didn't come from the NRA. SixString Feb 2018 #76

The Marketwatch article you quote is wrong. You need to fix that in some way or delete it. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #73

"Vermont, has a strong hunting tradition. He accepted $11,129 in cash." left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #58

You will never give up fighting the 2016 primaries. former9thward Feb 2018 #61

I think they are going for the record. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #69

You would think they would be more angry at Obama as he was 10 times Quixote1818 Feb 2018 #79

Nice article. Shame it's probably written by the Russians. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #62

Deceptive. egduj Feb 2018 #64

Of course melman Feb 2018 #83

Article also states that Chris Van Hollen took over $104,000. Is there a big rush to bullwinkle428 Feb 2018 #70

Opensecrets.org disagrees. CentralMass Feb 2018 #78

That's pretty funny. They want us to think that spending AGAINST Hillary Clinton in the primary pnwmom Feb 2018 #82

I think that they were pretty clear that the NRA was spending money to beat Hillary CentralMass Feb 2018 #98

What a bunch of doublespeak hueymahl Feb 2018 #103

Bernie left the Democratic party after he lost the primary. If he had stayed in the party, pnwmom Feb 2018 #110

I want some of what you are smoking hueymahl Feb 2018 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Feb 2018 #125

Spending FOR Trump does not equate to spending FOR Sanders... thesquanderer Feb 2018 #160

Whoa, when someone posted here this would be a bad week for Sanders lunamagica Feb 2018 #85

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #92

Or.. X_Digger Feb 2018 #93

First old footage. Then old questionable polls lunamagica Feb 2018 #95

Sander and his campaign received no money from the NRA. CentralMass Feb 2018 #99

By law no candidate receives money from the NRA. But, many organizations set up.... George II Feb 2018 #197

This is false melman Feb 2018 #87

This is why many of the Bernie Bros were Russian bots. sarcasmo Feb 2018 #88

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #94

That is really fucking low melman Feb 2018 #96

Taking money from the NRA is low samir.g Feb 2018 #97

I agree. nt jrthin Feb 2018 #100

So you post something untrue and refuse to change it when corrected melman Feb 2018 #111

Why did you fabricate that Bernie received money from the NRA? aikoaiko Feb 2018 #112

Apparently you didn't bother to read the article: pnwmom Feb 2018 #114

Apparently you didn't notice that they said gun rights groups, not the NRA aikoaiko Feb 2018 #140

He shouldn't take any money from any gun rights group...No Democrat should. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #152

Some groups are more moderate and support gun control even though they consider.... aikoaiko Feb 2018 #162

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #115

From the article: pnwmom Feb 2018 #120

The article is false and misleading and has been shown to be so CrawlingChaos Feb 2018 #121

Did you know the Russian troll factories target sites like DU with propaganda hit-pieces? Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #123

The article is correct. Politifact has noted the NRA has NOT regarded Sanders "as an anti-gunner" Julian Englis Feb 2018 #132

Crawling, I didn't see that THIS part was false. I read Hortensis Feb 2018 #176

The Center for Responsive Politics and Open Secrets don't have conflicting information melman Feb 2018 #122

That happens to this poster with their Bernie obsession all the time. phleshdef Feb 2018 #129

Interesting. Not saying it is good, or excusing hypocrisy, but... PatrickforO Feb 2018 #126

If one identifies with white male history he may be a good guy. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2018 #131

I would say one thing Sen. Sanders did vote in 2005 to give gun manufacturer immunity Some Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #154

But I'm sure that Bernie's motives for that vote were very, very ehrnst Feb 2018 #190

I want every Dem who voted for that bill and Sen. Sanders to support Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #196

Is this Russian bots trying to stir up more slop. vsrazdem Feb 2018 #130

Is English your second language? fleabiscuit Feb 2018 #133

:) sheshe2 Feb 2018 #134

Hey sheshe! fleabiscuit Feb 2018 #135

Hey, flea. sheshe2 Feb 2018 #136

No, as a matter of fact my ancesters have been here since the 1600s vsrazdem Feb 2018 #139

That's cool. My ancestors were there to greet them. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2018 #182

What you claim is just not true. DLevine Feb 2018 #146

Hillary was supported by the Brady foundation...she took money form anti-gun organizations. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #156

What you say is true. What the OP claimed is not true. nt DLevine Feb 2018 #166

I'm not going to hit the Alert Abuse button, but... thesquanderer Feb 2018 #157

BS is not as righteous as the BoBs want him to be liberal N proud Feb 2018 #159

I knew this when I voted for Sanders Devil Child Feb 2018 #174