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k2qb3

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8. Been thinking about this subject a lot.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 01:00 AM
Feb 2018

The radical right and illiberal left are not a natural state of affairs.

Liberal and conservative are actually personality traits, and we actually need each other to keep us centered in the tao and have a functioning civilization. Liberal and conservative are not coherent political philosophies, and our political institutions are maladaptive.

It is not reasonable to believe that political disagreements are the result of moral failings, stupidity, or mental illness on the part of whoever disagrees with us. They may be in a specific individual, but if your worldview demands that you generalize that kind of thinking to say half of the population, you're probably missing something.

What is the purpose of a conservative political party other than obstruction? What outcome can there be besides incremental failure and compromised positions until the status quo becomes something you had no hand in shaping and no interest in conserving? What do conservatives become when they stop being conservative? Donald Trump apparently.

Progressivism is just as bad, for the same reasons, a century or so of beating your collective head against a wall isn't really conducive to the kind of thoughtful, peer-reviewed marketplace of ideas or selection pressures that result in progress.

Fundamentalism and post-modernism are two sides of the same pathology, they feed on each other, they turn people against evidence, truth, the scientific method itself and thereby their own values. That's how you end up with "conservatives" against nature, institutions and culture and "liberals" against civil rights, civil discourse, diversity and equality, and a complete inability to communicate effectively across paradigms.

We'd better stitch our culture together pretty soon, we're living in a critical moment in history and history is moving incredibly fast. Things could get away from us in a way that will make us wonder how we were so caught up in our differences we couldn't avoid it.

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With the help of the kids. elleng Feb 2018 #1
We are not going to ever come together. The US needs to be divided up democratisphere Feb 2018 #2
Sad to say, I agree. And I'm not even sure if that will help. regnaD kciN Feb 2018 #9
For one, we need to tell Fox News where they can shove it. Initech Feb 2018 #3
For quite some time I've had concerns about why so many appalachiablue Feb 2018 #15
I don't WANT to come together with racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic gun humpers Skittles Feb 2018 #4
As long as we find a way to bring enough of the good people together to vote out enough of the bad ooky Feb 2018 #5
With the help of these kids, as a poster above me says, AND PatrickforO Feb 2018 #6
I don't WANT to come to together with them. BlueStater Feb 2018 #7
Been thinking about this subject a lot. k2qb3 Feb 2018 #8
That might be ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #11
I concur. Thoughtful post. sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #19
The Double Threat To Liberal Democracy Exotica Feb 2018 #13
I worry that we may end up looking like Yupster Feb 2018 #10
We will not come together until an alien invasion Exotica Feb 2018 #12
Our side will accomplish it by having more friends and more fun than our enemies struggle4progress Feb 2018 #14
Only if we are physically attacked by an outside force. Kablooie Feb 2018 #16
After I read a DU post a few weeks ago I realized that coming BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #17
I have no optimism that things will get better. CentralMass Feb 2018 #18
Somebody was asking that in 1861... TreasonousBastard Feb 2018 #20
When we have public funded elections rainy Feb 2018 #21
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