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bongbong

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131. Yep, I did

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:10 PM

Jul 2012

The text I posted, part of Miller, stands by itself. It is an affirmation of the "group right" of the 2nd Amendment. Once again, straight from the decision:

"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument."

Now, substitute "handgun", or "assault rifle", or any of the different types of Precious that gun-relgionists droll over for "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length". It doesn't matter, the sentence would read the same. The key is that the SCOTUS said that a weapon must have "some reasonable relationship" to a well-regulated militia for the 2nd Amendment to affect it.

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Pro gun arguments [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 OP

Excellent post. It is sad for people to be so brainwashed via media, gaming, culture change... rustydog Jul 2012 #1

the national racist association will not like this OP lol nt msongs Jul 2012 #2

A backlash will come nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #3

re: low level fear laundry_queen Jul 2012 #152

there is nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #156

Is it really so wrong to want to defend yourself with a gun when someone is shooting at you? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #4

For the sake of this argument I am going to assume nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #7

The two most important factors are, in my mind,... aikoaiko Jul 2012 #14

Partially right nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #19

Well I said "without injuring others" aikoaiko Jul 2012 #23

How do you deal nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #34

No, getting shot in the face is the absolute last choice. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #60

Transported a few with very nasty bruises nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #64

Agreed. Self-defense is a great responsibility not to be taken lightly. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #67

What? What cops, what SEALS? Union Scribe Jul 2012 #42

Friends of ours nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #54

Were they involved in all the shootouts with you? zappaman Jul 2012 #92

damn you... owe me a new monitor... dionysus Jul 2012 #96

something like this I'll bet.. zappaman Jul 2012 #99

Um Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #5

We can't even agree to...100% background checks are reasonable nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #9

Nope Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #10

Did I say that? No nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #12

I didn't say that Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #13

But even that, people on your side scream over incrementalism nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #16

If Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #18

It's easy, wireless access to databases nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #20

Actually that, beyond the loss of life, is one of the reasons I agree to the system I outlined Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #22

Did... Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #26

You are the first to see this small step as reasonable nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #37

In one ear, out the other Scootaloo Jul 2012 #27

I've not attempted to hide my interpretation of the 2nd amendment Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #29

the second amendment says 'a regulated militia' so 'yes' regulations are reasonable samsingh Jul 2012 #31

Never argued that Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #35

What you bolder is in the declaration nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #39

I'm obviously aware of that Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #44

Which will be put down even more effectively nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #49

You're changing the topic Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #53

I am not nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #55

Sorry you feel that way Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #56

Well on it's way nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #57

interesting points but again my interpretation is different samsingh Jul 2012 #98

Driving isn't a right... Missycim Jul 2012 #33

Thank you for the nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #40

Truth is truth... Missycim Jul 2012 #61

As long as the I'd is federal and free, easily obtainable nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #63

Of course it has... Missycim Jul 2012 #72

I have, stated it on this thread nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #77

Are you ok? Missycim Jul 2012 #79

Now you are going to say Missycim Jul 2012 #83

Holmes bought his guns legally... MicaelS Jul 2012 #136

Yes, yes he did nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #140

But I do believe in a 100% Background Checks. MicaelS Jul 2012 #141

two ways you can do the involuntary nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #142

I see both answers as big problems.. MicaelS Jul 2012 #144

Well if the 72 hour hold was followed with nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #145

I've been into raising the speed limit since before I was into gun rights. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #46

That would be cool...ban ALL weapons chowder66 Jul 2012 #21

Better regulation and constant education for everyone will never happen as long as the NRA exists. Lint Head Jul 2012 #30

There are reports that NRA members are chowder66 Jul 2012 #41

They need an internal, base driven, revolt nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #47

Maybe a totally new organization with reasonable bylaws that competes with the NRA. Lint Head Jul 2012 #48

That is also possible. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #51

This would probably be the way to go chowder66 Jul 2012 #84

Ironic bongbong Jul 2012 #108

Well truth be told nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #109

Yes bongbong Jul 2012 #111

You are correct, one done by Frank Luntz nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #112

Tanks bongbong Jul 2012 #115

That's going to make CLUE a boring game... hughee99 Jul 2012 #143

Not really, you can just use little cars instead. nt chowder66 Jul 2012 #166

People with guns kill people. MNBrewer Jul 2012 #6

Technically, bullets kills people. n/t zappaman Jul 2012 #8

Technically, the damage caused by the bullets having been fired into the victim kills people. MNBrewer Jul 2012 #24

Generally, it's the lack of blood to the brain, as a result of said damage, that kills. yawnmaster Jul 2012 #59

Everybody in the end dies from the same cause...heart failure n/t EX500rider Jul 2012 #125

Although, I suppose if one is decapitated, it hardly matters how long the heart keeps beating. MNBrewer Jul 2012 #167

Ever hear of incrementalism? badtoworse Jul 2012 #11

Ever hears of the real Tucson AZ, or the other towns nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #15

I have no idea what you are saying. zappaman Jul 2012 #17

again driving isn't a right Missycim Jul 2012 #38

So you are telling me the old west had absolutely zero gun regulations? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #45

I am not saying that at all Missycim Jul 2012 #58

So since there is very little we can do nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #65

So you are Missycim Jul 2012 #74

Stated it already, 100% background checks nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #76

well i am my own person thanks Missycim Jul 2012 #78

Yes, there is a lot that can be done to regulate firearms, without infringing on the 2nd. soccer1 Jul 2012 #116

There are gun control laws I support. I oppose "feel good" laws that accomplish nothing. badtoworse Jul 2012 #69

Been posting for a few mass shootings now nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #73

I thought I posted that supported background checks on all handgun purchases. badtoworse Jul 2012 #89

All fire arms, no exceptions. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #91

Would you trade a federal CCW License to get that? badtoworse Jul 2012 #94

I was once offered a federal one nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #100

You didn't have a CCW when you were in those shootouts? zappaman Jul 2012 #101

I just don't see the need and I've already passed a background check to legally purchase handguns badtoworse Jul 2012 #102

transported, where you a freelance marshal or bounty hunter loli phabay Jul 2012 #104

How about people who travel or have residences in multiple states, as I do. badtoworse Jul 2012 #105

i got no problem with them, was just wondering why the FBI would actively offer one, seems kinda off loli phabay Jul 2012 #106

I'm ok with that. MNBrewer Jul 2012 #25

A very poor argument. DanTex Jul 2012 #36

The gun rights are pushed by people on all sides nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #43

Not really. DanTex Jul 2012 #52

Have you been reading DU nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #66

I know all about the gungeon. DanTex Jul 2012 #80

Or right here on the ol DU nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #85

Always Nice, Sir, To Hear a Man State Flat Out He Is a Paranoiac The Magistrate Jul 2012 #50

That's a sword that cuts two ways badtoworse Jul 2012 #81

Wrong. DanTex Jul 2012 #88

Do you read what gets posted here by gun control advocates? badtoworse Jul 2012 #93

LOL. So you can't actually come up with a single example of gun control paranoia. DanTex Jul 2012 #95

I'm using a smartphone on the bus coming home from work badtoworse Jul 2012 #97

Here are some cases that come to mind badtoworse Jul 2012 #103

Huh? bongbong Jul 2012 #110

Citations? What cases are you referring to? badtoworse Jul 2012 #114

Miller, for one bongbong Jul 2012 #117

You should have read more about Miller badtoworse Jul 2012 #122

Yep, I did bongbong Jul 2012 #131

If the SCOTUS had intended Miller to apply to firearms in general, they would have said so. badtoworse Jul 2012 #139

No they wouldn't bongbong Jul 2012 #148

If you have a better citation, then post it. What you've posted so far doesn't cut it. badtoworse Jul 2012 #151

Oh yeah? bongbong Jul 2012 #153

Those aren't examples of paranoia. DanTex Jul 2012 #121

Sure looks like paranoia to me, but that shouldn't be a surprise. badtoworse Jul 2012 #123

It doesn't look like you know what "paranoia" means. DanTex Jul 2012 #124

This has gotten boring badtoworse Jul 2012 #132

This isn't about guns, it is about violence. harun Jul 2012 #28

violence enabled by access to a lot of guns samsingh Jul 2012 #32

Drunk driving is not about drinking or cars. savalez Jul 2012 #70

"So I gotta ask...how many other laws shoud we get rid off since they are regularly disobeyed?" NCTraveler Jul 2012 #62

I am sure you are aware you just engaged in a talking point nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #68

I have no clue who you are responding to. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #71

Word salad indeed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #75

I just don't see what this has to do with my post. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #82

Good bye nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #86

Have a blessed day. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #87

"collective insanity" pintobean Jul 2012 #90

Yes bongbong Jul 2012 #107

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Isaac Asimov Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #113

Totally agree Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #118

It probably would have worked. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #119

So Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #126

So, who knows? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #150

Talking Point #12 bongbong Jul 2012 #120

I know you think there's a grand conspiracy where we're all fed talking points Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #127

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #134

Nice theory Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #137

More laughs, as always bongbong Jul 2012 #147

You're tilting at windmills friend nt Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #149

Obvious bongbong Jul 2012 #155

I was always a pro 2nd amendment guy Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #158

Yawn bongbong Jul 2012 #159

The "cowboy hero" mentality of gun culture is one of main reasons I'm against carrying in public. Hoyt Jul 2012 #128

You have a very biased view of people who carry a weapon without any basis in fact nt Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #129

Probably from the sampling of those arguing on DU against any regulations fascisthunter Jul 2012 #130

Well, I've known plenty of pro-gun types that should never be allowed near a gun. And Hoyt Jul 2012 #133

If we want to play the examples game Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #135

Says the ex-robber? X_Digger Jul 2012 #138

My argument against gun control is that it doesn't work Taverner Jul 2012 #146

If we cannot get over the 100% background check nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #154

I don't mind background checks Taverner Jul 2012 #157

Yeah, but have you been reading DU nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #160

The NRA is insane and more like a cult than a PAC Taverner Jul 2012 #161

there ya go nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #162

What about buying a gun Turbineguy Jul 2012 #163

As long as we accept a 100% background check nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #164

Check Turbineguy Jul 2012 #165