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In reply to the discussion: Feb 20: Bernie Sanders says his 2016 team saw effects of Russian anti-Clinton campaign [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)100. Weaver is denying Mueller's assertion that Russian Bots backed Bernie at all:
Bernie Sanders blamed Hillary Clinton for for allowing Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election in a Vermont Public Radio interview
He aftewards sent out a statement that backed off from that - link to the statement is in the tweet below:
Link to tweet
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While his 2016 campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, denied special counsel Robert Muellers assertion that the Russians backed Sanders campaign, according to Politico.
Asked why Sanders would blame Clinton for not intervening, Weaver said, Uh, I dont know. They [Clinton's campaign] did have more information.
Sanders went on to indicate that he was at least vaguely aware of the operation that Mueller detailed in his indictment of 13 Russian nationals last week: What Mueller reported, he had more specificity than wed seen before. Not exactly new.
The findings that Sanders is referring to:
Muellers indictment states that the 13 Russians indicted engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.
Among the evidence the indictment cites is a message from the day after Sanders and Trump won their New Hampshire primaries. "Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on politics in the USA and to use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump we support them.), the document read.
Among the evidence the indictment cites is a message from the day after Sanders and Trump won their New Hampshire primaries. "Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on politics in the USA and to use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump we support them.), the document read.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/bernie-sanders-trump-russia-interference-420528
So - Bernie is stating that he "vaguely knew" and was "not surprised" at the above findings. But also said:
The Vermont senator was adamant that he did not benefit from Russian bots urging voters to support him. I did not know that Russian bots were promoting my campaign. Russian bots were not promoting my campaign, he said
Is that clearer? His campaign ended at the convention in July 2016. The Mueller indictment (which Bernie references directly as "not surprising him"
Sanders described how an aide handling his social media accounts noticed an uptick in horrific and ugly things directed at Clinton beginning around September 2016 long after the Democratic nomination had been decided, and while Sanders himself was traveling the country campaigning on her behalf.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2018/02/20/bernie-sanders-mueller-indictment-hillary-clinton-2016/356453002/
So if an aide confirmed this, and as Bernie claims, went to the Clinton campaign with it, why was Bernie silent about it until now? Do you believe that the Clinton campaign would not have come to him with this? Because the best way to neutralize damage that Sanders supporters were doing sharing bot propaganda from his FB pages would have been for him to have spoken publicly about it.
That was not the job of the Clinton campaign to manage Bernie's FB pages - imagine the long knives coming out if there was even a perceived attempt by HRC to stop people from posting on his FB pages......
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Feb 20: Bernie Sanders says his 2016 team saw effects of Russian anti-Clinton campaign [View all]
ehrnst
Feb 2018
OP
You compare Hillary's 2008 concession and candidate support with Bernie's 2016?
KitSileya
Feb 2018
#103
In 2016 that might have been hindsight. At this stage it should be bonafide 'foresight'.
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2018
#167
What is the purpose of hindsight if it doesn't educate you to succeed in the future?
TheSmarterDog
Feb 2018
#179
You're preaching to the choir Dog. There is nothing Russia can do to change who I'm voting for.
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2018
#183
2016 was an unusual year that's for certain. While people here may have very strong opinions, it is
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2018
#187
This mysterious "Someone" was totally wrong and your subject line in #20 is false
Jim Lane
Feb 2018
#90
I saw what happened with my own eyes. I don't need your filtered "facts". nt
Blue_true
Feb 2018
#117
That list doesn't prove that those events were in support of Clinton.
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2018
#173
The 2016 Democratic National Convention closed on July 28. His first appearance...
George II
Feb 2018
#161
hmmmm. Perhaps to change his party affiliation back to independent, and disassociate himself with
still_one
Feb 2018
#199
A week before the Convention, maybe even earlier, he'd already registered his re-election....
George II
Feb 2018
#200
Looks like he did make it to NC to rally with Clinton a few days before the election. That's it.
George II
Feb 2018
#171
"more than a dozen appearances just in the final week." That's what he said, not what he did....
George II
Feb 2018
#177
I didn't say that, but we all know that he didn't do more than a dozen in the final week either.....
George II
Feb 2018
#196
True, you didn't say it. You also didn't call out a lie that served your agenda.
Jim Lane
Feb 2018
#205
I'm not the DU cop around here, but I DID "call out" the comment you made about him....
George II
Feb 2018
#208
I know his first reaction after the convention was to take weeks off working on his book.
bettyellen
Feb 2018
#176
I dont know, but it WAS used as a Russian troll pic, and it is from Berlin, not in the USA
Exotica
Feb 2018
#84
Now that I see the larger picture, that's not the way Muslim women arrange their scarves
Hekate
Feb 2018
#141
I guess several of us are all really the just one big meanie from Ken's perspective.
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#93
I don't resent you...I just wish people here would stop treating me as the enemy
Ken Burch
Feb 2018
#108
If you left the straw men at home, your stated intent would be way more apparent.
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#123
He took July off after the convention, and the entire month of August, and almost all of September.
pnwmom
Feb 2018
#37
that is simply not true. EVERYONE remembers how he held out on his endorsement
BoneyardDem
Feb 2018
#43
Wait, the problem is 2018 and 2020 will be HEAVILY influenced by the man you are all
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#128
Ken, what matters is he did NOT call out the Russians, trolls, bots, etc once he KNEW ...
Hekate
Feb 2018
#142
I wonder if he takes seriously the fact that if he runs against Trump for president
betsuni
Feb 2018
#145
I updated the post. But if you aren't interested in the information, I understand.
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#102
Cleary not hits against Sander or his campaign. They brought the matter to the
CentralMass
Feb 2018
#8
But Sanders said today that he "did not know that Russian Bots were promoting his campaign"
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#14
As the article I posted states after he lost the primary, ohn Mattes, who the used Sanders FB acct.
CentralMass
Feb 2018
#26
That doesn't explain why Bernie made the comment about Hillary. She HAD been speaking up
pnwmom
Feb 2018
#39
Yeah, 'cause it's not as if that isn't a pretty good summary of his career. NT
KitSileya
Feb 2018
#106
Bernie is a patriot, unlike Trump. He is not going to pretend something did not happen
MaryMagdaline
Feb 2018
#10
Here in 2018 he's saying he knew what was going on in 2016, yet did nothing about it in 2016?
George II
Feb 2018
#17
They reported it to the Clinton campaign and Obama administration in September of 2016.
CentralMass
Feb 2018
#29
"They" didn't. Mattes did. But why didn't Bernie GO PUBLIC and tell his supporters
pnwmom
Feb 2018
#41
Bernie didn't want to acknowledge that the Russians were promoting his campaign.
comradebillyboy
Feb 2018
#60
Ok. This article paints a different picture. I'll wait until the dust settles
CentralMass
Feb 2018
#75
+1, starting to think this too ... especially sense we've not seen Sanders long form tax
uponit7771
Feb 2018
#82
Absolute silence from the man with the stentorian voice. Crickets. HIS "Revolution" or nothing.
Hekate
Feb 2018
#146
Trust? Team building? So if people criticize Bernie, which he seems to be deserving lately
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#152
You make assumptions that I don't agree with regarding Bern. So there's probably no reason
KPN
Feb 2018
#184
One of the main attacks on Hillary from Russia was her emails. Sanders wanted nothing to do with
Quixote1818
Feb 2018
#174
People organizing FB groups had proof and tried to share it- but screwed up.
bettyellen
Feb 2018
#195
According to the OP she already had the nomination before his campaign discovered
Quixote1818
Feb 2018
#197
Thats the thing-the BOBers were worse after he was eliminated and horrible during the DNC itself.
bettyellen
Feb 2018
#198
The effects that his campaign saw first hand was on Facebook, not the emails.
George II
Feb 2018
#186
That's why Sanders aid warned Hillary as to what was going on there as noted in the OP
Quixote1818
Feb 2018
#191
The man who warned the PAC (not Hillarys campaign) was NOT a staffer at all... which is why
bettyellen
Feb 2018
#211