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33. Yes, absolutely.

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:58 AM

Feb 2018

I have a strong appreciation of firearms, and I love shooting, but I'm 100% in favor of effective, reasonable gun control. I just want it to be both effective and reasonable. Banning capacity adequate to walk into a classroom and kill everyone inside before needing to reload is both effective and reasonable. Banning weapons because of their shape or other non-functional characteristics they may have is neither.

As it stands now, I could replace the factory wooden stock on my 10 round .22lr with one that has a pistol grip or thumbhole, and it would become an illegal assault weapon. Not only are the things that don't matter banned, the things that do matter aren't. That's where I and a great many other gun owners who aren't wingnuts take issue.

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Many people may not know this about the AR15. [View all] shockey80 Feb 2018 OP

Me too underpants Feb 2018 #1

I agree 100%. Aristus Feb 2018 #2

Easily customized to become automat machine gun-like too OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #68

Two things worth noting however better Feb 2018 #74

One thing worth noting, it took 30 seconds to find 30-60 BULLET clips for AR-15 online OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #101

Yes, I know. better Feb 2018 #189

Well, a few disagreements: yagotme Feb 2018 #91

I consider 1-1/2 & 2 yr olds babies OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #96

You didn't read my post correctly. yagotme Feb 2018 #172

Thank you. Muddled mind overcome by sadness and anger and wtfery OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #177

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #180

Wonderful. "Death Bunnies" for the..... SergeStorms Feb 2018 #175

Tumbling Bullet Correct. Saw Two Dead VC Where Exit Wound Far From Entry Wound. TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #3

AR-15 Actually Hyped Up M-16 That Can Have Bigger Magazine. TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #4

15 holds more bullets than 16? samir.g Feb 2018 #36

The magazines are interchangeable sarisataka Feb 2018 #38

SEE THIS PIC: 30-60 BULLET clips available online, under $20 each OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #103

Keep looking. There are 120 round drums. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #123

We have the superior product A HERETIC I AM Feb 2018 #145

Seriously bad line, aimed at the white supremist/racists imo OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #165

No it is not sarisataka Feb 2018 #40

my understanding cab67 Feb 2018 #55

When the M-16 came out sarisataka Feb 2018 #75

In Vietnam... jimmil Feb 2018 #99

The AR-15 and the M-16 are physically identical in every way that matters to feeding a mag into AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #125

What? No. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #108

I am told that there are similar guns, Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #5

there are ak lookalikes as well as some m14 lookalikes I believe as well getagrip_already Feb 2018 #24

Thank you. Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #31

Knowledge is power. nt yagotme Feb 2018 #93

M14 vs 16 njcpa1978 Feb 2018 #199

From the tenor of your post... ADX Feb 2018 #6

Let's cover all the bases here--ban 'em both. lastlib Feb 2018 #52

I don't think anyone who wants an AR-15 ban is against banning other similar weapons... ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #62

Ban them all samir.g Feb 2018 #64

I Carried My Captain's CAR15 In Nam. It Was About 18" Long With Expandable Stock. TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #7

+1, that's right !!! The AR-15 was designed to kill a lot of people quickly !!! uponit7771 Feb 2018 #8

Exactly... The gun is a force multiplier. mitch96 Feb 2018 #86

Absolutely...I think the destructive power needs to be demonstrated Ryano42 Feb 2018 #9

That seems to contradict the earlier post about exboyfil Feb 2018 #13

Absolutley correct...it's a combination of velocity bullet design and other factors... Ryano42 Feb 2018 #30

any ban has to be carreful with wording. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #92

M-1 reloading: yagotme Feb 2018 #94

Agreed. The .30-06 is a monster...accurate to over 1000 yards... Ryano42 Feb 2018 #97

Not "Cartridge Fed" they are magazine fed SonofDonald Feb 2018 #77

Sorry for the mistake exboyfil Feb 2018 #82

Pretty much everything you just said is wrong. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #132

I refuse to argue with you... Ryano42 Feb 2018 #135

You're misremembering. My 30-06 WILL go through my exterior wall and penetrate the neighbors AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #136

That's why it's locked up! Ryano42 Feb 2018 #139

Ok. Maybe we're not disagreeing then? AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #141

Not in the slightest sir... Ryano42 Feb 2018 #143

You had me at what appears to be a glass of guinness. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #144

THIS is why DU is so amazing...talking it out Ryano42 Feb 2018 #148

Ban weapons of war SHRED Feb 2018 #10

agree 100% nt shanny Feb 2018 #11

It should be common sense Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #168

Please illuminate me. Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #171

Damn straight Clarity2 Feb 2018 #45

No semi automatics. SHRED Feb 2018 #46

I know nothing about guns Clarity2 Feb 2018 #106

Semi automatic refers to the action style. yagotme Feb 2018 #154

What is your definition of a weapon of war? Marengo Feb 2018 #138

Anything not a hand gun or hunting rifle SHRED Feb 2018 #146

So, my Colt 1911A1, made in 1944, is safe??? n/t yagotme Feb 2018 #155

The Pistol, Semiautomatic, 9mm, M9 is not a weapon of war? Marengo Feb 2018 #159

This is silly Calculating Feb 2018 #14

Gun nerds. mac56 Feb 2018 #20

You want an informed solution? Calculating Feb 2018 #25

Bingo. Best reply in this thread. SlimJimmy Feb 2018 #47

Here's a better solution SHRED Feb 2018 #49

a complete ban on semiautomatics would not be workable. cab67 Feb 2018 #61

My starting point is where I'd start in the discussion SHRED Feb 2018 #71

The problem I see with getting "legitimate hunters" on board, yagotme Feb 2018 #95

Hunting is not a right. samir.g Feb 2018 #109

That's a different position that I'm used to hearing. yagotme Feb 2018 #113

It's a hobby. An obsolete one that was useful 100 years ago. samir.g Feb 2018 #114

Again, the arguments for banning XYZ were that they weren't yagotme Feb 2018 #116

fine, leave them their precious bambi-killing samir.g Feb 2018 #117

"For now." yagotme Feb 2018 #122

That makes the other side not want to come to the table. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #147

You obviously know a lot about wildlife management. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #196

Re: Fully automatic weapons should certainly be prohibited TwistOneUp Feb 2018 #134

Bump stocks rapidly manipulate the trigger, yagotme Feb 2018 #160

What is workable quakerboy Feb 2018 #184

I agree cab67 Feb 2018 #186

As unilaterally determined by you. quakerboy Feb 2018 #192

This is a vapid misunderstanding of my view cab67 Feb 2018 #197

How about adding registration of each firearm and an insurance requirment like with autos? brush Feb 2018 #133

We only require liability insurance on cars operated on public roads. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #140

This. Step one. Day one. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #137

So are we moving the age of major majority to 21 now? krispos42 Feb 2018 #193

Yes. Yes. And yes. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2018 #23

OK, sure. Ban them all. MineralMan Feb 2018 #27

Not only that... ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #67

The 3-round burst option wasn't available back when I qualified. MineralMan Feb 2018 #73

Heh, I went all rock-and-roll with the burst mode at the range once ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #87

I think I got away with it because they had just verified MineralMan Feb 2018 #88

In Vietnam... jimmil Feb 2018 #107

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #162

Ban all semi-auto long guns including the M1A VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #60

Thank you, lark Feb 2018 #15

What kind of mental health criteria would you suggest? Marengo Feb 2018 #157

Make it mandatory to report anyone who talks, writes about killing others. lark Feb 2018 #198

Yep. Not much legitimate use for that 5.56 mm round other than shredding human bodies. Still In Wisconsin Feb 2018 #16

What about similar cartridges, such as the .222? .22 caliber centerfire cartridges are popular for.. Marengo Feb 2018 #32

The NATO 5.56 mm cartridge was derived from the .222 Remington sporting round FarCenter Feb 2018 #17

I do not have your experience, education or knowledge genxlib Feb 2018 #18

The AR-15 Is The Same As M-16 As To the .223 Round They Both fire. TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #56

The AR15 can fire dozens of different calibers. Kaleva Feb 2018 #130

One caveat. 5.56 NATO has a higher pressure rating than .223 Remington. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #149

The "loose tolerance" is that the front of the chamber is cut deeper, yagotme Feb 2018 #163

Yep, that's it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #166

It'll chamber and extract OK, yagotme Feb 2018 #173

Not the case any more hack89 Feb 2018 #19

They actually had trouble with the new rounds under performing in Iraq and going back to Somalia EX500rider Feb 2018 #105

The new round was designed to "work" with 20" barrels, yagotme Feb 2018 #164

I too have an expert marksman qualification on the M16 better Feb 2018 #21

Would you be okay with that, along with licensing and serialization for ammo? moriah Feb 2018 #29

Yes, absolutely. better Feb 2018 #33

Hand guns? Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #42

Yes, I would say that logic applies to any type of firearm. better Feb 2018 #70

Thank you. Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #79

My pleasure, and thanks for the tactful discourse! better Feb 2018 #81

Someone posted this article in another thread: Saviolo Feb 2018 #90

Thanks - insightful Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #98

The .223 and similar ammunition jimmil Feb 2018 #110

Thank you for sharing this point of view JustAnotherGen Feb 2018 #22

I grew up around hunters, not one of them ever used an AR-15 or similar IronLionZion Feb 2018 #26

Semi-automatic version of m-4 is illegal? samir.g Feb 2018 #44

The shorter barrel is illegal. There are laws for the barrel length IronLionZion Feb 2018 #57

Why does the m4 win? samir.g Feb 2018 #63

lighter, shorter, more maneuverable IronLionZion Feb 2018 #66

Please stop making shit up. FMJ Ball Nato is FAR less deadly than AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #153

Short barrel rifles are not illegal. SQUEE Feb 2018 #152

The M4 is just a flat top carbine AR-15. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #151

there should be special requirements/restrictions for any tactical class weapon..... getagrip_already Feb 2018 #28

Read this, it adds more details and pictures Dem2 Feb 2018 #34

I was issued an M-16 in 1967 The Wizard Feb 2018 #35

The powder burn rate doesn't have anything to do with the rate of fire. yagotme Feb 2018 #102

It was an issue jimmil Feb 2018 #120

If I remember correctly (and I may not be) yagotme Feb 2018 #126

Gore alert! this is a graphic description I'm sorry but it has to be said/posted gfwzig Feb 2018 #37

If you hunted nil desperandum Feb 2018 #43

minngal marieo1 Feb 2018 #84

My father and grandfather used to hunt and fish BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #85

You couldn't if you wanted to. No semi-auto .223 for deer in that state. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #156

+1. Good post. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #178

It's certainly a derivative, but sold to hunters also.... nil desperandum Feb 2018 #39

Military style firearms should be banned Progressive dog Feb 2018 #41

Hey, Mr. Expert..... Adrahil Feb 2018 #48

Hey, mr pedantic internet guy samir.g Feb 2018 #53

Yes, I know... knowledge is useless... Adrahil Feb 2018 #76

It's not pedantery to show a post is complete bullshit from stem to stern. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #158

So, where was he wrong??? nt yagotme Feb 2018 #167

Post 48 specifies clearly, and accurately where it was wrong. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #174

My bad. I thought you were suggesting the explanation was wrong. yagotme Feb 2018 #176

Yeah, no it was the OP that is off the rails AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #183

Out of curiosity, sarisataka Feb 2018 #50

Your arguing against Sgent Feb 2018 #51

I was in college when the AR-15 was developed. mikehiggins Feb 2018 #54

The AR-15 and M16 are Meatgrinders and weapons of death.... Pachamama Feb 2018 #58

Thanks so much for making this point, shockey80. calimary Feb 2018 #59

It is crazy stanleyollie Feb 2018 #65

The ones used by the military are way less deadly than ones civilians can buy GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #69

I learned the facts about the M16 in basic training in 1967 Stainless Feb 2018 #72

K&R stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #78

When they trained me in the M-16... malthaussen Feb 2018 #80

minngal marieo1 Feb 2018 #83

My proposal: any gun that can cut a small adult in half in 10 seconds should be banned. BamaRefugee Feb 2018 #89

So, you want to ban shotguns? yagotme Feb 2018 #104

Hell yes I do. samir.g Feb 2018 #111

So, an all out ban on everything. yagotme Feb 2018 #115

Maybe not all at once, but we are on the right side of history samir.g Feb 2018 #119

What history is that?? nt yagotme Feb 2018 #124

The same one most of the civilized world belongs to Wednesdays Feb 2018 #188

You're going to tell me, a shotgun owner and user for over 50 years, that someone with a shotgun BamaRefugee Feb 2018 #128

You want me to provide proof, but you don't want to hear technical facts. yagotme Feb 2018 #129

Techical facts are always published, annotated, cross-referenced so yeh BamaRefugee Feb 2018 #131

Don't know where you got the part about where yagotme Feb 2018 #142

Neither can the AR-15. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #161

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #170

Except the M16 (and variants) can fire full automatic and the AR15 is always semi-auto. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #100

I was going to ask about that: Do AR15s & AR16s rapid-fire? Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #179

ARs don't shoot any faster than any other semi-auto rifle. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #195

Note- the damage isn't just AR-15's- James48 Feb 2018 #112

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #118

google "hunting with AR15" and you'll see a ton of pictures of game killed with ARs aikoaiko Feb 2018 #121

A single shot rifle chambered for the .223 round does the exact same thing Kaleva Feb 2018 #127

All Assault Rifles? erpowers Feb 2018 #150

An "assault rifle", by definition, yagotme Feb 2018 #169

Ban Them Capperdan Feb 2018 #181

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #182

AR-15s were banned from 1994 to 2004. That Ban was ruled Constitutional, tclambert Feb 2018 #185

Manufacturers changed the name which essentially unbanned the AR-15 Kaleva Feb 2018 #187

Lawrence talked about this tonight, read some quotes from shock/trauma specialists ... eppur_se_muova Feb 2018 #190

In the 70's, even the "girls" in the service trained on them. raven mad Feb 2018 #191

Politicians that support AR-15's in our society duforsure Feb 2018 #194