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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
27. The answer is legislated standards, not litigation
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:03 PM
Feb 2018

In your Kars for Kids hypothetical, the obvious answer would be that there are laws setting a minimum age for driving. Those laws are made by the people's elected representatives, not a random selection of jurors. The legislators decide what the requirements should be, and those requirements are then published so everyone can know what the applicable law is. There are also minimum-age requirements for buying tobacco.

I'm no gun lover so I don't know the law here. If a 10-year-old walks into a gun shop, plunks down his cash, and asks for an AR-15, is it legal for the shop to sell it to him? If the answer is Yes, then that's the problem, and the law should be changed. If the answer is No, but the shop illegally sells the gun anyway, then, as I understand the PLCAA, the shop could be held liable for violating the law.

Even if the purchaser is an adult, the PLCAA allows the seller to be held liable for negligent entrustment. In one case, a woman's family warned the gun shop that she was mentally ill and shouldn't be sold a gun. The shop sold her the gun anyway and she murdered her father with it. The Missouri Supreme Court held, correctly in my view, that the PLCAA did not shield the gun shop from liability. (Source: "MISSOURI GUN SHOP AGREES TO PAY $2.2 MILLION TO SETTLE WRONGFUL-DEATH LAWSUIT")

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Because the sole purpose of their product is to kill. Wwcd Feb 2018 #1
We should start suing them as a public health and safety issue BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #2
Didn't Ikea get sued for dressers that tipped over? BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #21
There is a diff according to the GOP BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #33
Weren't the cigarette companies held liable for lung cancer? Good idea for sure. Kajun Gal Feb 2018 #3
They were sued for lying and manipulating nicotine levels hack89 Feb 2018 #9
Gun manufacturers could install safety devices, limit magazine size, etc. But they dont, Hoyt Feb 2018 #4
Also, Like Opioid Manufacturers, They Are Enjoying Record Profits... TomCADem Feb 2018 #5
Exactly. There are plenty of grounds to sue them, beyond product defects. That's why gun profiteers Hoyt Feb 2018 #6
"Obama is going to take away your guns!" krispos42 Feb 2018 #40
Then pass a law mandating such features. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #10
Car manufacturers have been sued for not doing things that improve safety. Hoyt Feb 2018 #11
It Is Legal To Sue. This is Why Gun Makers Asked for Immunity TomCADem Feb 2018 #13
Your statement of products liability law is not accurate. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #14
I Thought Tort Law Is Often Understoood... TomCADem Feb 2018 #15
You're incorrectly assuming that the law creates "an absolute immunity for gun manufacturers" Jim Lane Feb 2018 #19
If all manufacturers liability are the same, then why do gun corporations get special protection? kcr Feb 2018 #17
My point is that gun makers DON'T get special protection -- Jim Lane Feb 2018 #18
I want my 50 state survey! hardluck Feb 2018 #34
Oh, so you don't care about gun violence victims in the District of Columbia? (n/t) Jim Lane Feb 2018 #37
"One of the Nazis in Charlottesville used his car to murder Heather Heyer...... BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #22
A manufacturer -- of cars, or guns, or furniture -- can be held liable for design defects Jim Lane Feb 2018 #25
NRA is marketing guns for kids. The Cricket gun. If said child kills self or others with said Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #26
The answer is legislated standards, not litigation Jim Lane Feb 2018 #27
Needing a license is a red herring. The point is the NRA is manufacturing Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #28
You're simply repeating your false premise. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #29
"Gun shop" not in my post. Gun manufacturer of kids guns is...anything on that? Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #30
This seems to me to relate to selling, not manufacturing. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #32
Here's an example hardluck Feb 2018 #35
Magazines are generally made by 3rd parties. Calista241 Feb 2018 #31
because their products aren't killing or injuring people.... aikoaiko Feb 2018 #7
Seems Like Another Neoliberal Protect Gun Makers Talking Point... TomCADem Feb 2018 #41
Shouldn't General Motors be liable if one of their Trucks is intentionally driven into a crowd? nt aka-chmeee Feb 2018 #8
Was something wrong with your other thread about the exact same thing? EX500rider Feb 2018 #12
Didn't get the purity he wanted, perhaps? n/t X_Digger Feb 2018 #38
The same reason I cant sue Coors if I get killed by a drunk driver. Nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #16
Is there a federal law banning such lawsuits? TomCADem Feb 2018 #20
That is not accurate. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #24
Because it would limit the number of guns available. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #23
Guns have more rights than people. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #36
They do, and they are. krispos42 Feb 2018 #39
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