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AtheistCrusader

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132. Pretty much everything you just said is wrong.

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:58 PM

Feb 2018

5.56 FMJ Ball can go through the thin side of a 2x4, but not the edge-on width.

It was not designed to kill. It was designed to maim/disable. Kill an enemy soldier, you take one soldier out of the fight. Wound an enemy soldier, you take out three (one injured, two to carry him or her)

ANY long gun will go through a residential door. Even a .22LR.

FMJ ball is legal for use by soldiers by international conventions for completely opposite reasons you specify. Hollow-point would kill better. The Army is prohibited by international law from using it in combat.

It's actually a pretty good defensive weapon. Short. Light. Doesn't kick much. Doesn't over-penetrate nearly as much as you indicate. My 110 year old bolt action rifle would kick the AR's ass up one side of the street and down the other in a penetration test.

Please stop legend-making the AR. It's part of the reason these shithead shooting spree assholes are so attracted to it.

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Many people may not know this about the AR15. [View all] shockey80 Feb 2018 OP

Me too underpants Feb 2018 #1

I agree 100%. Aristus Feb 2018 #2

Easily customized to become automat machine gun-like too OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #68

Two things worth noting however better Feb 2018 #74

One thing worth noting, it took 30 seconds to find 30-60 BULLET clips for AR-15 online OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #101

Yes, I know. better Feb 2018 #189

Well, a few disagreements: yagotme Feb 2018 #91

I consider 1-1/2 & 2 yr olds babies OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #96

You didn't read my post correctly. yagotme Feb 2018 #172

Thank you. Muddled mind overcome by sadness and anger and wtfery OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #177

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #180

Wonderful. "Death Bunnies" for the..... SergeStorms Feb 2018 #175

Tumbling Bullet Correct. Saw Two Dead VC Where Exit Wound Far From Entry Wound. TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #3

AR-15 Actually Hyped Up M-16 That Can Have Bigger Magazine. TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #4

15 holds more bullets than 16? samir.g Feb 2018 #36

The magazines are interchangeable sarisataka Feb 2018 #38

SEE THIS PIC: 30-60 BULLET clips available online, under $20 each OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #103

Keep looking. There are 120 round drums. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #123

We have the superior product A HERETIC I AM Feb 2018 #145

Seriously bad line, aimed at the white supremist/racists imo OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #165

No it is not sarisataka Feb 2018 #40

my understanding cab67 Feb 2018 #55

When the M-16 came out sarisataka Feb 2018 #75

In Vietnam... jimmil Feb 2018 #99

The AR-15 and the M-16 are physically identical in every way that matters to feeding a mag into AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #125

What? No. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #108

I am told that there are similar guns, Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #5

there are ak lookalikes as well as some m14 lookalikes I believe as well getagrip_already Feb 2018 #24

Thank you. Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #31

Knowledge is power. nt yagotme Feb 2018 #93

M14 vs 16 njcpa1978 Feb 2018 #199

From the tenor of your post... ADX Feb 2018 #6

Let's cover all the bases here--ban 'em both. lastlib Feb 2018 #52

I don't think anyone who wants an AR-15 ban is against banning other similar weapons... ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #62

Ban them all samir.g Feb 2018 #64

I Carried My Captain's CAR15 In Nam. It Was About 18" Long With Expandable Stock. TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #7

+1, that's right !!! The AR-15 was designed to kill a lot of people quickly !!! uponit7771 Feb 2018 #8

Exactly... The gun is a force multiplier. mitch96 Feb 2018 #86

Absolutely...I think the destructive power needs to be demonstrated Ryano42 Feb 2018 #9

That seems to contradict the earlier post about exboyfil Feb 2018 #13

Absolutley correct...it's a combination of velocity bullet design and other factors... Ryano42 Feb 2018 #30

any ban has to be carreful with wording. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #92

M-1 reloading: yagotme Feb 2018 #94

Agreed. The .30-06 is a monster...accurate to over 1000 yards... Ryano42 Feb 2018 #97

Not "Cartridge Fed" they are magazine fed SonofDonald Feb 2018 #77

Sorry for the mistake exboyfil Feb 2018 #82

Pretty much everything you just said is wrong. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #132

I refuse to argue with you... Ryano42 Feb 2018 #135

You're misremembering. My 30-06 WILL go through my exterior wall and penetrate the neighbors AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #136

That's why it's locked up! Ryano42 Feb 2018 #139

Ok. Maybe we're not disagreeing then? AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #141

Not in the slightest sir... Ryano42 Feb 2018 #143

You had me at what appears to be a glass of guinness. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #144

THIS is why DU is so amazing...talking it out Ryano42 Feb 2018 #148

Ban weapons of war SHRED Feb 2018 #10

agree 100% nt shanny Feb 2018 #11

It should be common sense Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #168

Please illuminate me. Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #171

Damn straight Clarity2 Feb 2018 #45

No semi automatics. SHRED Feb 2018 #46

I know nothing about guns Clarity2 Feb 2018 #106

Semi automatic refers to the action style. yagotme Feb 2018 #154

What is your definition of a weapon of war? Marengo Feb 2018 #138

Anything not a hand gun or hunting rifle SHRED Feb 2018 #146

So, my Colt 1911A1, made in 1944, is safe??? n/t yagotme Feb 2018 #155

The Pistol, Semiautomatic, 9mm, M9 is not a weapon of war? Marengo Feb 2018 #159

This is silly Calculating Feb 2018 #14

Gun nerds. mac56 Feb 2018 #20

You want an informed solution? Calculating Feb 2018 #25

Bingo. Best reply in this thread. SlimJimmy Feb 2018 #47

Here's a better solution SHRED Feb 2018 #49

a complete ban on semiautomatics would not be workable. cab67 Feb 2018 #61

My starting point is where I'd start in the discussion SHRED Feb 2018 #71

The problem I see with getting "legitimate hunters" on board, yagotme Feb 2018 #95

Hunting is not a right. samir.g Feb 2018 #109

That's a different position that I'm used to hearing. yagotme Feb 2018 #113

It's a hobby. An obsolete one that was useful 100 years ago. samir.g Feb 2018 #114

Again, the arguments for banning XYZ were that they weren't yagotme Feb 2018 #116

fine, leave them their precious bambi-killing samir.g Feb 2018 #117

"For now." yagotme Feb 2018 #122

That makes the other side not want to come to the table. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #147

You obviously know a lot about wildlife management. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #196

Re: Fully automatic weapons should certainly be prohibited TwistOneUp Feb 2018 #134

Bump stocks rapidly manipulate the trigger, yagotme Feb 2018 #160

What is workable quakerboy Feb 2018 #184

I agree cab67 Feb 2018 #186

As unilaterally determined by you. quakerboy Feb 2018 #192

This is a vapid misunderstanding of my view cab67 Feb 2018 #197

How about adding registration of each firearm and an insurance requirment like with autos? brush Feb 2018 #133

We only require liability insurance on cars operated on public roads. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #140

This. Step one. Day one. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #137

So are we moving the age of major majority to 21 now? krispos42 Feb 2018 #193

Yes. Yes. And yes. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2018 #23

OK, sure. Ban them all. MineralMan Feb 2018 #27

Not only that... ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #67

The 3-round burst option wasn't available back when I qualified. MineralMan Feb 2018 #73

Heh, I went all rock-and-roll with the burst mode at the range once ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #87

I think I got away with it because they had just verified MineralMan Feb 2018 #88

In Vietnam... jimmil Feb 2018 #107

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #162

Ban all semi-auto long guns including the M1A VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #60

Thank you, lark Feb 2018 #15

What kind of mental health criteria would you suggest? Marengo Feb 2018 #157

Make it mandatory to report anyone who talks, writes about killing others. lark Feb 2018 #198

Yep. Not much legitimate use for that 5.56 mm round other than shredding human bodies. Still In Wisconsin Feb 2018 #16

What about similar cartridges, such as the .222? .22 caliber centerfire cartridges are popular for.. Marengo Feb 2018 #32

The NATO 5.56 mm cartridge was derived from the .222 Remington sporting round FarCenter Feb 2018 #17

I do not have your experience, education or knowledge genxlib Feb 2018 #18

The AR-15 Is The Same As M-16 As To the .223 Round They Both fire. TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #56

The AR15 can fire dozens of different calibers. Kaleva Feb 2018 #130

One caveat. 5.56 NATO has a higher pressure rating than .223 Remington. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #149

The "loose tolerance" is that the front of the chamber is cut deeper, yagotme Feb 2018 #163

Yep, that's it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #166

It'll chamber and extract OK, yagotme Feb 2018 #173

Not the case any more hack89 Feb 2018 #19

They actually had trouble with the new rounds under performing in Iraq and going back to Somalia EX500rider Feb 2018 #105

The new round was designed to "work" with 20" barrels, yagotme Feb 2018 #164

I too have an expert marksman qualification on the M16 better Feb 2018 #21

Would you be okay with that, along with licensing and serialization for ammo? moriah Feb 2018 #29

Yes, absolutely. better Feb 2018 #33

Hand guns? Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #42

Yes, I would say that logic applies to any type of firearm. better Feb 2018 #70

Thank you. Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #79

My pleasure, and thanks for the tactful discourse! better Feb 2018 #81

Someone posted this article in another thread: Saviolo Feb 2018 #90

Thanks - insightful Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #98

The .223 and similar ammunition jimmil Feb 2018 #110

Thank you for sharing this point of view JustAnotherGen Feb 2018 #22

I grew up around hunters, not one of them ever used an AR-15 or similar IronLionZion Feb 2018 #26

Semi-automatic version of m-4 is illegal? samir.g Feb 2018 #44

The shorter barrel is illegal. There are laws for the barrel length IronLionZion Feb 2018 #57

Why does the m4 win? samir.g Feb 2018 #63

lighter, shorter, more maneuverable IronLionZion Feb 2018 #66

Please stop making shit up. FMJ Ball Nato is FAR less deadly than AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #153

Short barrel rifles are not illegal. SQUEE Feb 2018 #152

The M4 is just a flat top carbine AR-15. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #151

there should be special requirements/restrictions for any tactical class weapon..... getagrip_already Feb 2018 #28

Read this, it adds more details and pictures Dem2 Feb 2018 #34

I was issued an M-16 in 1967 The Wizard Feb 2018 #35

The powder burn rate doesn't have anything to do with the rate of fire. yagotme Feb 2018 #102

It was an issue jimmil Feb 2018 #120

If I remember correctly (and I may not be) yagotme Feb 2018 #126

Gore alert! this is a graphic description I'm sorry but it has to be said/posted gfwzig Feb 2018 #37

If you hunted nil desperandum Feb 2018 #43

minngal marieo1 Feb 2018 #84

My father and grandfather used to hunt and fish BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #85

You couldn't if you wanted to. No semi-auto .223 for deer in that state. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #156

+1. Good post. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #178

It's certainly a derivative, but sold to hunters also.... nil desperandum Feb 2018 #39

Military style firearms should be banned Progressive dog Feb 2018 #41

Hey, Mr. Expert..... Adrahil Feb 2018 #48

Hey, mr pedantic internet guy samir.g Feb 2018 #53

Yes, I know... knowledge is useless... Adrahil Feb 2018 #76

It's not pedantery to show a post is complete bullshit from stem to stern. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #158

So, where was he wrong??? nt yagotme Feb 2018 #167

Post 48 specifies clearly, and accurately where it was wrong. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #174

My bad. I thought you were suggesting the explanation was wrong. yagotme Feb 2018 #176

Yeah, no it was the OP that is off the rails AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #183

Out of curiosity, sarisataka Feb 2018 #50

Your arguing against Sgent Feb 2018 #51

I was in college when the AR-15 was developed. mikehiggins Feb 2018 #54

The AR-15 and M16 are Meatgrinders and weapons of death.... Pachamama Feb 2018 #58

Thanks so much for making this point, shockey80. calimary Feb 2018 #59

It is crazy stanleyollie Feb 2018 #65

The ones used by the military are way less deadly than ones civilians can buy GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #69

I learned the facts about the M16 in basic training in 1967 Stainless Feb 2018 #72

K&R stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #78

When they trained me in the M-16... malthaussen Feb 2018 #80

minngal marieo1 Feb 2018 #83

My proposal: any gun that can cut a small adult in half in 10 seconds should be banned. BamaRefugee Feb 2018 #89

So, you want to ban shotguns? yagotme Feb 2018 #104

Hell yes I do. samir.g Feb 2018 #111

So, an all out ban on everything. yagotme Feb 2018 #115

Maybe not all at once, but we are on the right side of history samir.g Feb 2018 #119

What history is that?? nt yagotme Feb 2018 #124

The same one most of the civilized world belongs to Wednesdays Feb 2018 #188

You're going to tell me, a shotgun owner and user for over 50 years, that someone with a shotgun BamaRefugee Feb 2018 #128

You want me to provide proof, but you don't want to hear technical facts. yagotme Feb 2018 #129

Techical facts are always published, annotated, cross-referenced so yeh BamaRefugee Feb 2018 #131

Don't know where you got the part about where yagotme Feb 2018 #142

Neither can the AR-15. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #161

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #170

Except the M16 (and variants) can fire full automatic and the AR15 is always semi-auto. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #100

I was going to ask about that: Do AR15s & AR16s rapid-fire? Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #179

ARs don't shoot any faster than any other semi-auto rifle. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #195

Note- the damage isn't just AR-15's- James48 Feb 2018 #112

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #118

google "hunting with AR15" and you'll see a ton of pictures of game killed with ARs aikoaiko Feb 2018 #121

A single shot rifle chambered for the .223 round does the exact same thing Kaleva Feb 2018 #127

All Assault Rifles? erpowers Feb 2018 #150

An "assault rifle", by definition, yagotme Feb 2018 #169

Ban Them Capperdan Feb 2018 #181

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #182

AR-15s were banned from 1994 to 2004. That Ban was ruled Constitutional, tclambert Feb 2018 #185

Manufacturers changed the name which essentially unbanned the AR-15 Kaleva Feb 2018 #187

Lawrence talked about this tonight, read some quotes from shock/trauma specialists ... eppur_se_muova Feb 2018 #190

In the 70's, even the "girls" in the service trained on them. raven mad Feb 2018 #191

Politicians that support AR-15's in our society duforsure Feb 2018 #194